Received: from mail-qc0-f185.google.com ([209.85.216.185]:33247) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YsASS-0004cU-PX for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:43:00 -0700 Received: by qcvp6 with SMTP id p6sf1865779qcv.0 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=s8PXJrt96yTPdZabY6qCBtBqBsq0Gjoer07l2ELvc8E=; b=p1Yy2cA14YsGaMeAmRdCd6ri+m286UX21yMdV7ORTV0jHc5gcBAlbGK27mBo3I4pw1 jhLhZc16gyG8Vv+ABQl/KZIHdE0wc3U2/RmympvoIhPU4LBVvtgBDJ2PjMI01ZFgUNmp GDamksT5Fflybszh0IrO7khe8deBDYZDaM7AAC/pzqMfY7kNL557oWbHtMG2PizR8KL8 BY8sfQmibk9ZhxMTBBfmrvPA0bqSCrOABvr+/5sRrH+FYQ7sJ51RAxZZC8qy3SlpzTfC g8QTHed3AvFczNo1TtXp03LeGSyIJ9rihjQAzVzy/umtk3qxiKd2++eakjZsL9lKtLvj uCNA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=s8PXJrt96yTPdZabY6qCBtBqBsq0Gjoer07l2ELvc8E=; b=bSCShSpW0T5bR+c1dpxs7m8cnB6PL0+WoFJTLeXvTXO7sTApigjB39PswGPC5lJQzP E07R522RavIRcpUIGJdaPjlflVGdV8W1v7+a3FkrFVNmHrHXBotCMAbLIl9HM0iVPwR2 kzLM9wa6uHUHVDXGyZO1PqAoNtuIyd6VbQ3VVHR2+o8/PWhyYG7A42yhyUKDoBuC1VZF 9wdFmvWRtRh8G6rxFlwzpAtylBnaXpBo/XbWHnfy4ZeVkMdspN73wYTJ19rQNki9AYu5 pmfMa1I5RxrMzisKlBhY9pHAVzdA89p6mUKr4tToilDSta5BhBaZEkIdTSRdm+cFQjuW XrOQ== X-Received: by 10.50.8.7 with SMTP id n7mr64163iga.15.1431438166488; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.61.163 with SMTP id q3ls100560igr.8.gmail; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.56.6 with SMTP id w6mr7280igp.16.1431438166195; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 06:42:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <04cecf13-9f41-4589-9e37-e3987ef53330@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Possible polysemy clashes for "regular affixes" in lujvo? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2272_1323588634.1431438165102" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_2272_1323588634.1431438165102 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2273_1918556012.1431438165102" ------=_Part_2273_1918556012.1431438165102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Certain gismu have, over time, become treated like "prefixes" and "suffixes"; they are used for many lujvo, and they make them in a highly predictable manner. For example: {zabna binxo -> zanbi'o "to (improve/change in a favorable manner)"} is treated as {zabna fa lo nu X1 binxo X2 X3 [X4 ...]} While {binxo gasnu -> bixygau "to (change something else / cause something else to change)"} is treated as {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 binxo X3 X4 [X5 ...]} Unfortunately this causes clashes when two "promiscuous" gismu meet! What exactly would {zangau} mean? It could mean {zabna fa lo nu X1 gasnu X2} (roughly "does good deeds / does favors"), or it could mean {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 zabna X3 X4} (possibly "to bless")! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_2273_1918556012.1431438165102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Certain gismu have, over time, become treated like "prefix= es" and "suffixes"; they are used for many lujvo, and they make them in a h= ighly predictable manner.

For example: {zabna binxo ->= ; zanbi'o "to (improve/change in a favorable manner)"} is treated as {zabna= fa lo nu X1 binxo X2 X3 [X4 ...]}
While {binxo gasnu -> bixyg= au "to (change something else / cause something else to change)"} is treate= d as {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 binxo X3 X4 [X5 ...]}

Unfo= rtunately this causes clashes when two "promiscuous" gismu meet! What exact= ly would {zangau} mean?

It could mean {zabna fa lo= nu X1 gasnu X2} (roughly "does good deeds / does favors"), or it could mea= n {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 zabna X3 X4} (possibly "to bless")!

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