Received: from mail-qk0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:34138) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YsAt5-0005o6-DD for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:10:30 -0700 Received: by qkbw1 with SMTP id w1sf2093668qkb.1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=3cAGhXjoggBCEX8BqS5oxaREROFktL8psVgwTiysBLk=; b=ewO4yOpFq5On80sc79y/diUXDh/WKXgv2fRzXcw28OUvuhch0X1qZwvOfB+oftau9S f9AYKPQRoFVDPGE2OTWGJ46xuQOdXBe+U1siNlWYrCpvY/ZFO3ol6QrZ9tcTYTQjGmlc tC7Dm5RAf0UEdOOU8W+N+Z2GqJynVhCtVnax1PP4odLIVbUdz6Um7JllfbRMTMb8BALJ vFl26TAyluQoCMG563bmEgYG4OsAndQFyjlpMnLppBboImwFZFXPxo6yq+y7G1rZx6wN fKH/dyR7x3xtqNBxEkf+RQEI+AzZojFTpvYrQjtteV/QmxLKnBHlVlE5RM1EDenXZFDc uvbg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=3cAGhXjoggBCEX8BqS5oxaREROFktL8psVgwTiysBLk=; b=zl0qJ12PkjWoLxpKLA6/iaIx0Vlc9E1leKqm9k5XVN0WUThFzOR7Wa392dYWWo+Zh3 EXbvXAden8aDqa5OCS7xYKszk9LmOiU364ox7Wi6YHaJU37/tfFe5xvefsUjXJQiBdzg KBNzlXnEUiun79wKEEa7whWQXB+prcu9SUqYXev/O9s6pnuyb5THKHoOtPR+kjeOwUYm 2tBbBkTwmFE9J7JQc1nWoWqaUIOGRQxisoVTJOhB+UfjlS8bgH7/lD1Eok7N30sp1No1 Xlj5DaIuL7GAimTBe4anxhK/d7X9nVQXNuaGwrPT53OFBZsiN8plmgahNBIfbhuLMFyP 3U7A== X-Received: by 10.50.78.132 with SMTP id b4mr71685igx.2.1431439817324; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.7.94 with SMTP id 91ls38704ioh.91.gmail; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.97.104 with SMTP id dz8mr334375igb.10.1431439817094; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04cecf13-9f41-4589-9e37-e3987ef53330@googlegroups.com> References: <04cecf13-9f41-4589-9e37-e3987ef53330@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Possible polysemy clashes for "regular affixes" in lujvo? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_6754_318162707.1431439816206" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_6754_318162707.1431439816206 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6755_126335519.1431439816206" ------=_Part_6755_126335519.1431439816206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And turns out I forgot that {binxo} is also a rather promiscuous gismu! {clani binxo -> clabi'o "to become longer"} = {X1 binxo X2 poi clani X3 [X4 ...]} On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 9:42:45 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote: > > Certain gismu have, over time, become treated like "prefixes" and > "suffixes"; they are used for many lujvo, and they make them in a highly > predictable manner. > > For example: {zabna binxo -> zanbi'o "to (improve/change in a favorable > manner)"} is treated as {zabna fa lo nu X1 binxo X2 X3 [X4 ...]} > While {binxo gasnu -> bixygau "to (change something else / cause something > else to change)"} is treated as {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 binxo X3 X4 [X5 ...]} > > Unfortunately this causes clashes when two "promiscuous" gismu meet! What > exactly would {zangau} mean? > > It could mean {zabna fa lo nu X1 gasnu X2} (roughly "does good deeds / > does favors"), or it could mean {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 zabna X3 X4} (possibly > "to bless")! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_6755_126335519.1431439816206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And turns out I forgot that {binxo} is also a rather promi= scuous gismu! {clani binxo -> clabi'o "to become longer"} =3D {X1 binxo = X2 poi clani X3 [X4 ...]}

On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 9:42:45 PM UTC= +8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
Certain gismu have, over time, become treated like "= prefixes" and "suffixes"; they are used for many lujvo, and they make them = in a highly predictable manner.

For example: {zabna binx= o -> zanbi'o "to (improve/change in a favorable manner)"} is treated as = {zabna fa lo nu X1 binxo X2 X3 [X4 ...]}
While {binxo gasnu ->= bixygau "to (change something else / cause something else to change)"} is = treated as {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 binxo X3 X4 [X5 ...]}

Unfortunately this causes clashes when two "promiscuous" gismu meet! What= exactly would {zangau} mean?

It could mean {zabna= fa lo nu X1 gasnu X2} (roughly "does good deeds / does favors"), or it cou= ld mean {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 zabna X3 X4} (possibly "to bless")!
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