Received: from mail-qg0-f62.google.com ([209.85.192.62]:33615) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YsB9W-00066e-4d for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:27:33 -0700 Received: by qgdz60 with SMTP id z60sf2177149qgd.0 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:27:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=jb95zlq1R5eEW2RoKNEvtIKlsMjsoKPAY/OH8lee2Z4=; b=PQM3dsvnaZDHumzrVNBuve+1q9KY2xeiFS300ri+Hf9+TW3xYjayhpYku6/mR8kAe7 Q9wY3OYVojJeFbVsAMVWWRLd1K1B4q9SxXNZ/xYAPE7NX48YiNuEJsmgfdck0TCppSzj XB3WUJ67bTqD12WoHoYFzipzkW49MA7hj/uQRUnqfsWj3fF691/TWUVGmX+B8iHOYUvk J63YdFQy1vLq9BF3+g6csuo07hv6JvmNOycUIMJWptbQXZjWHPYmw8fe0HwywsJEgVTw jdNvQZ6+vrA9/pMHEBnvnGH3YnP/CvfNPjxhUzoQGvSmr1wgzsHYhFTQt+N/DaS3U/3Q YnbA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=jb95zlq1R5eEW2RoKNEvtIKlsMjsoKPAY/OH8lee2Z4=; b=oEPo/zNRLVjpNV/gRpu67Qm6O0pV83cM/24zNijqmQJKy5Tf5s76r5iVho+vkkGyTu h80BmvkX9uAVhQ4s1foxksy6l0pKns4IOvVuUztq7X7al06KgOEdLmAhc4esf5i8l/YR r0xW401m6Av2C3awmU4V4KpHitTkvRCnNw87folQCMMlmlAjPhqMLxnedCu/nrqil85J fUngCh6bqvy9gTlYbTKiA/6MvVD+jsoVsnkQq0dikF0GGDkDYtKV0eat2BmBJ3/m00Zd bR55148k9XXJTJG9g3cCnmHtvjTUl8aJ2eOKXs2s/mub41zPhEtx7Bdlf97Us+IuECJO dG+g== X-Received: by 10.50.82.8 with SMTP id e8mr333820igy.7.1431440252302; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.67.108 with SMTP id m12ls1375078igt.14.canary; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.25.199 with SMTP id e7mr53484igg.16.1431440251258; Tue, 12 May 2015 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 07:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <04cecf13-9f41-4589-9e37-e3987ef53330@googlegroups.com> References: <04cecf13-9f41-4589-9e37-e3987ef53330@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Possible polysemy clashes for "regular affixes" in lujvo? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2317_1074541340.1431440250368" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_2317_1074541340.1431440250368 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2318_1626313757.1431440250368" ------=_Part_2318_1626313757.1431440250368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And turns out I forgot that {binxo} is also a rather promiscuous gismu! {clani binxo -> clabi'o "to become long"} = {X1 binxo X2 poi clani X3 [X4 ...]} On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 9:42:45 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote: > > Certain gismu have, over time, become treated like "prefixes" and > "suffixes"; they are used for many lujvo, and they make them in a highly > predictable manner. > > For example: {zabna binxo -> zanbi'o "to (improve/change in a favorable > manner)"} is treated as {zabna fa lo nu X1 binxo X2 X3 [X4 ...]} > While {binxo gasnu -> bixygau "to (change something else / cause something > else to change)"} is treated as {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 binxo X3 X4 [X5 ...]} > > Unfortunately this causes clashes when two "promiscuous" gismu meet! What > exactly would {zangau} mean? > > It could mean {zabna fa lo nu X1 gasnu X2} (roughly "does good deeds / > does favors"), or it could mean {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 zabna X3 X4} (possibly > "to bless")! > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_2318_1626313757.1431440250368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And turns out I forgot that {binxo} is also a rather promi= scuous gismu! {clani binxo -> clabi'o "to become long"} =3D {X1 binxo X2= poi clani X3 [X4 ...]}

On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 9:42:45 PM UTC+8= , Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
Certain gismu have, over time, become treated like "pref= ixes" and "suffixes"; they are used for many lujvo, and they make them in a= highly predictable manner.

For example: {zabna binxo -&= gt; zanbi'o "to (improve/change in a favorable manner)"} is treated as {zab= na fa lo nu X1 binxo X2 X3 [X4 ...]}
While {binxo gasnu -> bix= ygau "to (change something else / cause something else to change)"} is trea= ted as {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 binxo X3 X4 [X5 ...]}

Un= fortunately this causes clashes when two "promiscuous" gismu meet! What exa= ctly would {zangau} mean?

It could mean {zabna fa = lo nu X1 gasnu X2} (roughly "does good deeds / does favors"), or it could m= ean {X1 gasnu lo nu X2 zabna X3 X4} (possibly "to bless")!

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