Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposal for new cmavo: {vau'u}
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Sorry, make that {i'au} instead. If it's going to be in sub-selma'o UI7 I 
want to divorce it from the "super vau" implication, since it need not be 
used at the end (although I see that as the most common use case).

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 1:15:34 AM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) 
wrote:
>
> My main argument for it being monosyllabic is that I want it to completely 
> supercede {vau} for use with afterthought attitudinals, and so that we can 
> tell beginners "If you want to add attitudinals to the end of a sentence 
> and you don't want it to merely apply to the last thing you said, use 
> this", and it'll be correct regardless of how many (if any) bridi the 
> sentence has left open.
>
> But fine... I'll add it to the jbovlaste for now as {vau'u}.
>
> On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
>>
>> I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its 
>> own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any 
>> number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.
>>
>> Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an 
>> afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last 
>> thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi 
>> vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require 
>> several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example
>>
>> Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} 
>> You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry, make that {i'au} instead. If it's going to be in su=
b-selma'o UI7 I want to divorce it from the "super vau" implication, since =
it need not be used at the end (although I see that as the most common use =
case).<div><br>On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 1:15:34 AM UTC+8, Spheniscine =
(la zipcpi) wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">My main argument for it being monosyllabic is that I want it to comple=
tely supercede {vau} for use with afterthought attitudinals, and so that we=
 can tell beginners "If you want to add attitudinals to the end of a senten=
ce and you don't want it to merely apply to the last thing you said, use th=
is", and it'll be correct regardless of how many (if any) bridi the sentenc=
e has left open.<div><br></div><div>But fine... I'll add it to the jbovlast=
e for now as {vau'u}.</div><br>On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8,=
 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which=
 is in its own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; act=
ing as any number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.<div><br></div><=
div>Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an afterth=
ought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last thing in it=
. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi vau ui}), but=
 more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require several {vau=
}, which just feels wrong. For example</div><div><br></div><div>Instead of:=
 {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui}&nbsp;</div><div>Yo=
u can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}<br></div></di=
v></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div>

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