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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Possible polysemy clashes for "regular affixes" in lujvo?
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2015-05-13 18:59 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <spheniscine@gmail.com>:

> loi lujvo cu morsi .i a'o loi lujvo ze'u jmive
>

Actually If are interested in -gau and -bi'o lujvo as real words of a real
language my personal opinion is that they are of limited value.
Compare:
She moves to the house from the school.
I move her to the house from the school.

In both examples case changes only for the first two places. "from" and
"to" prepositions stay the same.
However, for -gau and -bi'o lujvo one has to mentally shift the place
structure. So instead of {mi djuno fi do} you get {ra jungau mi fo do}.
This may be harder to use since you have to learn two place structure
whereas in major world languages almost one.
However, another Lojbanic construct works very much like English:

mi djuno fi do => ra jai gau djuno fai mi fi do
i.e. only the first two places are affected.

Another solution is to use {gau} preposition without {jai} however this is
ergative style that may sound hard for speakers of European languages like
English.

For -bi'o there is a replacement with {co'a}.


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te">2015-05-13 18:59 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:spheniscine@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">spheniscine@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
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loi lujvo cu morsi .i a&#39;o loi lujvo ze&#39;u jmive</div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div><div>Actually If are interested in -gau and -bi&#39;o lujvo as=
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ted value.</div><div>Compare:=C2=A0</div><div>She moves to the house from t=
he school.</div><div>I move her to the house from the school.</div><div><br=
></div><div>In both examples case changes only for the first two places. &q=
uot;from&quot; and &quot;to&quot; prepositions stay the same.</div><div>How=
ever, for -gau and -bi&#39;o lujvo one has to mentally shift the place stru=
cture. So instead of {mi djuno fi do} you get {ra jungau mi fo do}. This ma=
y be harder to use since you have to learn two place structure whereas in m=
ajor world languages almost one.</div><div>However, another Lojbanic constr=
uct works very much like English:</div><div><br></div><div>mi djuno fi do =
=3D&gt; ra jai gau djuno fai mi fi do</div><div>i.e. only the first two pla=
ces are affected.</div><div><br></div><div>Another solution is to use {gau}=
 preposition without {jai} however this is ergative style that may sound ha=
rd for speakers of European languages like English.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>For -bi&#39;o there is a replacement with {co&#39;a}.</div><div><br></div=
><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>.i zo&#39;o</div></div><div class=3D=
"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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