Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 19:56:26 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposal for new cmavo: {vau'u}
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Well, since you guys seem to hate (zo'o) [i'au] so much, I thought of a 
possible different approach. 

[i'au] will still be kept as is, but instead attitudinals and other 
UI-cmavo are considered inherently ambiguous as to scope; as to whether it 
applies to the last unit, or something more than that. For this, another 
new cmavo will be made that works much like [i'au], but serves the opposite 
function: meaning, "yes, I really mean this to affect the last unit only".

Advantage is that this probably reflects usage better with people 
forgetting to close their sentences (or closing them improperly) before 
adding attitudinals. Also, this way we won't have to edit ro lo ma'a datka 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emCDL4aocDE> and completely ruin its 
meter. (zo'oru'e)

On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
>
> I think it might be useful to have a new cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its 
> own selma'o. It would act as a "super famyma'o / super vau"; acting as any 
> number of {vau}s needed to close off a sentence.
>
> Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding attitudinals as an 
> afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather than the last 
> thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do sidju mi 
> vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end may require 
> several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example
>
> Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau ui} 
> You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau'u ui}
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Well, since you guys seem to hate (zo'o) [i'au] so much, I=
 thought of a possible different approach.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>[i'au] =
will still be kept as is, but instead attitudinals and other UI-cmavo are c=
onsidered inherently ambiguous as to scope; as to whether it applies to the=
 last unit, or something more than that. For this, another new cmavo will b=
e made that works much like [i'au], but serves the opposite function: meani=
ng, "yes, I really mean this to affect the last unit only".</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Advantage is that this probably reflects usage better with people=
 forgetting to close their sentences (or closing them improperly) before ad=
ding attitudinals. Also, this way we won't have to edit&nbsp;<a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DemCDL4aocDE">ro lo ma'a datka</a>&nbsp;and c=
ompletely ruin its meter. (zo'oru'e)<br><div><br>On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at=
 4:04:48 PM UTC+8, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think it might be useful to have a ne=
w cmavo, {vau'u}, which is in its own selma'o. It would act as a "super fam=
yma'o / super vau"; acting as any number of {vau}s needed to close off a se=
ntence.<div><br></div><div>Why? Attitudinals, mostly; it'd allow adding att=
itudinals as an afterthought, attaching it to the entire sentence rather th=
an the last thing in it. {vau} is sufficient for simple sentences (e.g. {do=
 sidju mi vau ui}), but more complex sentences with subclauses at the end m=
ay require several {vau}, which just feels wrong. For example</div><div><br=
></div><div>Instead of: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu vau vau vau=
 ui}&nbsp;</div><div>You can have: {do sidju mi lo nu mi zenba lo ni ricfu =
vau'u ui}<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>

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