Received: from mail-qg0-f63.google.com ([209.85.192.63]:34117) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yucz1-0000hU-BE for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 19 May 2015 01:34:45 -0700 Received: by qgdq107 with SMTP id q107sf2085886qgd.1 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 01:34:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=Xjh4D1BavRLRspjJRul3szcAVr5j1ZQ8Pyv/5P0jfLc=; b=QBcrRpUIIeV885lrqnoXn/FDs8BVlJZx+lk0KIOd+xNR8NaZJOJI4oR0UEbUixv3E5 IUxUiFvRL78HOSbwk+qTeMabAH+YC9uBBhIHkUfOWz9sKpvwa9qg8PWERapo0ZokHpR7 hmDpDPZGFmRms5wTjRGNejEiXmQkRIv0XTlSjvjntzIfTbRCb9umMIwSJfk7sBXKckj9 yRQcRwI96pJmXqj8zenn+9euz3ihWDykCL1TvwttrE6GTIISWXxbfJ/O+nIIeAVZcHF7 oxRdFqnF8HPt3odzaz0fhyLbPNfUfUHF8WcuyuPC7rLC4011eyyMJLc63mvdTMnb2Ala 5J/g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=Xjh4D1BavRLRspjJRul3szcAVr5j1ZQ8Pyv/5P0jfLc=; b=Tq+fjeNl0usnrPbnWwwMdWJE4UQS15va2VOnUnEAtQI4q99YuBgO8Y4yq0KttHjqIz wCFQlt1d0NZ89WHR/+b6KhEHniP+G9yOnSdhX6fsKGuUlOzwtpquoyBmaXBSchzJNAKH onrmzhefiyaYYnlnLVqZKO6zMz/JfNNMXyTf0LdK7YhSBDya7rBCjhAW7RSuRaHLq/yM CV81VbBJR9ZxCK0hY95tRvsOrvyn4mhYM0ccfLE4zrhx54HqQk3lPlxurZzbUT4ooINV vJd2QfylSAtHb1xmIbDA//s9rT3R97UeUEcHsvCDu1tsfpRRMFszzIPc/S0CIxHysvpT 5wvg== X-Received: by 10.50.7.101 with SMTP id i5mr245920iga.15.1432024473317; Tue, 19 May 2015 01:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.136.13 with SMTP id k13ls113304iod.15.gmail; Tue, 19 May 2015 01:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.67.100 with SMTP id m4mr249767igt.12.1432024473074; Tue, 19 May 2015 01:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 01:34:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4d8b1314-8a42-448a-a10d-cc5915411b7b@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <21d0528e-7ece-41ca-a9e3-f57b22cc3f43@googlegroups.com> References: <21d0528e-7ece-41ca-a9e3-f57b22cc3f43@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Proposal: loi lerfu tcita detri; the final word on the problem of dates and times? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_626_1860870974.1432024472176" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_bar: --- ------=_Part_626_1860870974.1432024472176 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_627_1854108757.1432024472176" ------=_Part_627_1854108757.1432024472176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Another idea: define {to'e broda}, where broda is a measurement unit, to mean {broda te'ai ni'upa}; i.e. the reciprocal of the unit. Thus {to'e snidu} = s^-1 or Hertz, {to'e mitre} = m^-1 or diopter. Philosophical basis is that now these units are no longer measuring length but shortness, in time and in space respectively. So now miles per hour is {lo pi'ai minli to'e cacra}. {pi'ai} may be droppable from all but the most technical contexts: just assume via convention that when we put two measurement units in a tanru, we intend to multiply them. Then we can possibly build the lujvo {minlytolcacra} (though the La Bangu project does want to avoid proliferating lujvo). This possibly fixes the problem that existing measurement-combination lujvo such as {cacryminli} have no standard as to how they should be constructed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_627_1854108757.1432024472176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another idea: define {to'e broda}, where broda is a measur= ement unit, to mean {broda te'ai ni'upa}; i.e. the reciprocal of the unit.<= div>
Thus {to'e snidu} =3D s^-1 or Hertz, {to'e mitre} =3D m^= -1 or diopter. Philosophical basis is that now these units are no longer me= asuring length but shortness, in time and in space respectively.
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So now miles per hour is {lo pi'ai minli to'e cacra}. {pi'ai= } may be droppable from all but the most technical contexts: just assume vi= a convention that when we put two measurement units in a tanru, we intend t= o multiply them. Then we can possibly build the lujvo {minlytolcacra} (thou= gh the La Bangu project does want to avoid proliferating lujvo). This possi= bly fixes the problem that existing measurement-combination lujvo such as {= cacryminli} have no standard as to how they should be constructed.

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