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[2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dq2si1905181qcb.3.2015.05.19.07.43.00 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 May 2015 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of durka42@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22c; Received: by mail-qg0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id e91so8270149qgd.0 for ; Tue, 19 May 2015 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.93.199 with SMTP id d65mr36082026qge.27.1432046580613; Tue, 19 May 2015 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seas760.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu ([2607:f470:6:400d:7cc2:4f7b:83f7:c94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 197sm9098172qhq.23.2015.05.19.07.42.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 May 2015 07:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:42:58 -0400 From: Alex Burka To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4d8b1314-8a42-448a-a10d-cc5915411b7b@googlegroups.com> References: <21d0528e-7ece-41ca-a9e3-f57b22cc3f43@googlegroups.com> <4d8b1314-8a42-448a-a10d-cc5915411b7b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Proposal: loi lerfu tcita detri; the final word on the problem of dates and times? 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Torque is meas= ured in kg*m^2/s^2 =3D=3D ki'ogratretretolnidytolsnidu? Or ki'ogratretretol= kemnidysnidu? On May 19, 2015 at 4:34:34 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) (spheniscine@gmail.c= om) wrote: Another idea: define {to'e broda}, where broda is a measurement unit, to me= an {broda te'ai ni'upa}; i.e. the reciprocal of the unit. Thus {to'e snidu} =3D s^-1 or Hertz, {to'e mitre} =3D m^-1 or diopter. Phil= osophical basis is that now these units are no longer measuring length but = shortness, in time and in space respectively. So now miles per hour is {lo pi'ai minli to'e cacra}. {pi'ai} may be droppa= ble from all but the most technical contexts: just assume via convention th= at when we put two measurement units in a tanru, we intend to multiply them= . Then we can possibly build the lujvo {minlytolcacra} (though the La Bangu= project does want to avoid proliferating lujvo). This possibly fixes the p= roblem that existing measurement-combination lujvo such as {cacryminli} hav= e no standard as to how they should be constructed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Goog= le Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/loj= ban/s5aV14VFN5s/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to lojban+= unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Not a terrible suggestion! What about higher power= s, though? Torque is measured in kg*m^2/s^2 =3D=3D ki'ogratretretolnidytols= nidu? Or ki'ogratretretolkemnidysnidu?


On May 19, 2015 at 4:34:34 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi)= (spheniscine@gmail.com) wrote= :

Another idea: define {to'e broda}, where broda is a measurement unit, to mean {broda te'ai ni'upa}; i.e. the reciprocal of the unit.

Thus {to'e snidu} =3D s^-1 or Hertz, {to'e mitre} =3D m^-1 or diopter. Philosophical basis is that now these units are no longer measuring length but shortness, in time and in space respectively.

So now miles per hour is {lo pi'ai minli to'e cacra}. {pi'ai} may be droppable from all but the most technical contexts: just assume via convention that when we put two measurement units in a tanru, we intend to multiply them. Then we can possibly build the lujvo {minlytolcacra} (though the La Bangu project does want to avoid proliferating lujvo). This possibly fixes the problem that existing measurement-combination lujvo such as {cacryminli} have no standard as to how they should be constructed.
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