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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::241]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ec7si169833wib.3.2015.05.23.23.58.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 23 May 2015 23:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::241 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::241; Received: by mail-wi0-x241.google.com with SMTP id bw19so2866040wib.2 for ; Sat, 23 May 2015 23:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.95.10 with SMTP id dg10mr21608309wib.41.1432450683070; Sat, 23 May 2015 23:58:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Sat, 23 May 2015 23:57:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <41f64830-f432-451f-84e5-7207f9a764c2@googlegroups.com> References: <40ba9aa5-c434-4bbf-adf5-f4a62ec3d765@googlegroups.com> <41f64830-f432-451f-84e5-7207f9a764c2@googlegroups.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 09:57:42 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LMW no longer optimized for mobile To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04447f831f6fd50516ce6ad2 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::241 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d04447f831f6fd50516ce6ad2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-23 22:44 GMT+03:00 la gleki : > > > On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 6:28:26 PM UTC+3, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-05-23 17:59 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence < >> timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>: >> >>> 2015-05-23 15:14 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence < >>> timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>: >>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 2:05:18 PM UTC+3, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>> this is just a notification that the latest reworkings of the front >>>>> page of LMW (mw.lojban.org) made it ugly looking from mobile devices. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The site seems to have a "responsive layout" so just resizing the >>>> browser window smaller on desktop shows the problem. I also found a bug: >>>> resize the browser window to mobile size, show and hide the menu, expand >>>> browser window back to desktop size and now the sidebar menu doesn't show. >>>> >>> >>> Did the MobileFrontend interface show up during your tests like in the >>> screenshot above? >>> >>> >>> Sorry, on desktop the top bar doesn't look quite like >>> http://imgur.com/aJqUirM but the layout does look similarly >>> cramped/broken at very small window sizes. >>> >> >> MobileFrontend tries to detect true mobile devices to disable this >> Metrolook skin and to enable its own skin. http://imgur.com/aJqUirM is >> done from a real phone (i.e. not browser console emulation) >> > > The current situation is even worse: http://imgur.com/gGP8Y0D > > I suggest that for devices with such narrow screens the right block is put > to the top (so that language changing block can be seen) with news hidden. > > Or if you need news even on mobile devices then the whole right block can > be split into two blocks moving languages to the top (so that new visitors > can immediately change to their language) and news to the bottom so they > dont distract new visitors with lots of guest-unfriendly unfamiliar > information. > Another solution can be just placing the language block back to top as it was done by me long before LMW became official. It'd take two lines of text. Not too much IMO (the left sidebar and the top toolbar aren't scrollable so scrolling the content of the page doesn't make you lose main wiki controls). The new block thus would become independent and can be assigned a separate CSS/JS for narrow devices. > >> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-05-23 22:44 GMT+03:00 la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c= om>:


On Saturday, May 23, 2015 at 6:28:26 PM UTC+3, la gleki= wrote:

2015-05-23 17:59 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au&= gt;:
2015-05-23 15:14 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence &= lt;timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>:


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 2:05:18 PM UTC+3, la gleki wrote:
this is just a notification that the latest reworkings of = the front page of LMW (mw.lojban.org) made it ugly looking from mobile devices= .

The site seems to have a "responsive layout" so just resiz= ing the browser window smaller on desktop shows the problem. I also found a= bug: resize the browser window to mobile size, show and hide the menu, exp= and browser window back to desktop size and now the sidebar menu doesn't show.

Did the MobileFrontend interface show up during your tests like in the scre= enshot above?

Sorry, on desktop the top bar doesn't look quite like http://imgur.com/aJqUirM but the layout does look similarly cramped/bro= ken at very small window sizes.

MobileFrontend tries to detect tru= e mobile devices to disable this Metrolook skin and to enable its own skin.= =C2=A0http://imgur.com/aJqUirM is done from a real phone (i.e. not browser= console emulation)

The current situation is even worse: http://imgur.com/gGP8Y0D

<= div>I suggest that for devices with such narrow screens the right block is = put to the top (so that language changing block can be seen) with news hidd= en.

Or if you need news even on mobile devices the= n the whole right block can be split into two blocks moving languages to th= e top (so that new visitors can immediately change to their language) and n= ews to the bottom so they dont distract new visitors with lots of guest-unf= riendly unfamiliar information.

Another solution can be just placing the language block back to top as it = was done by me long before LMW became official. It'd take two lines of = text. Not too much IMO (the left sidebar and the top toolbar aren't scr= ollable so scrolling the content of the page doesn't make you lose main= wiki controls).
The new block thus would become independent and = can be assigned a separate CSS/JS for narrow devices.

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


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