Received: from mail-wi0-f191.google.com ([209.85.212.191]:34259) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YxPEg-0003BZ-As for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:25 -0700 Received: by wibbw19 with SMTP id bw19sf666634wib.1 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=EgvSrHAwc2C1mkn38oT7LTUk+g0WTdHUJYvDEOvr1yA=; b=bdjETV2e6pothNm6MUIE98FLSk3actWm88vf6AUHKMat1ftXo7GagJq2MIX2A46d27 QDRiibYtLHWIwMQ4P5Yqc7NW6w2NWSuUG+TI4QAC3Q0IJ0cn99nxpncO6Lg0v0eNIKlK ltV1nV2yd45A5gVHJzLXi7WKpd9LbRS4wNtvJkdm2cyO7qvqHwZmhnsqmIlG2JeEmFnc zmiuoduBQ4vlknlljgqMufqQZRuceJQ3PcACcs3cpiRkR0VOcFlLi7SF7c7F9A0KsOyi jVt3QEk12odcphNW23TVyr1oe1XvzbGALoumRPewgGFOq+Ot/IhfgTzMzV0fsew7PBmE is3g== X-Received: by 10.180.84.6 with SMTP id u6mr1496wiy.7.1432686611885; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.23.197 with SMTP id o5ls25889wif.14.gmail; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.74.197 with SMTP id w5mr25804992wiv.5.1432686611522; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ec7si22035wib.3.2015.05.26.17.30.11 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::232; Received: by mail-wi0-x232.google.com with SMTP id k4so94266801wiz.1 for ; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.216.196 with SMTP id os4mr54371422wjc.117.1432686611458; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.26.17 with HTTP; Tue, 26 May 2015 17:30:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1668540.L6pQx4xKKk@caracal> <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> <5564D0CA.3040206@gmx.de> <8B7FE06C-76A0-4791-AE30-E93351732DA7@evertype.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 21:30:11 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2902a8cef9e0517055815 X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- --001a11c2902a8cef9e0517055815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 26 May 2015, at 22:57, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrot= e: > > > > The terminator for "sei" is "se'u", but it is very often elidible. > > Well, it=E2=80=99s YOUR language, guys, but that pretty much defeats the > predictability of the system. If you have sei/se=E2=80=99u alongside lu/l= i=E2=80=99u, why > can on be elided but the other not? > "li'u" can be elided sometimes too, but less often. The reason is that the type of things that sei-se'u can bracket is much more restricted than the type of things lu-li'u can bracket. > > Is the position of a closing em-dash predictable? > > > > Yes, but you need to parse the sentence. > > Then it=E2=80=99s not predictable. > How does that folow? What do you mean by "predictable" then? Given any grammatical utterance, you can know without any ambiguity where the em-dash goes. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c2902a8cef9e0517055815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Michael Everson <= everson@evertype.= com> wrote:
On 26 May 2015, at 22:57, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The terminator for "sei" is "se'u", but it is = very often elidible.

Well, it=E2=80=99s YOUR language, guys, but that pretty much defeats= the predictability of the system. If you have sei/se=E2=80=99u alongside l= u/li=E2=80=99u, why can on be elided but the other not?

"li'u" can be elided sometimes too, but less= often. The reason is that the type of things that sei-se'u can bracket= is much more restricted than the type of things lu-li'u can bracket.
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>=C2=A0 Is the position of a closing em-dash predictable?
>
> Yes, but you need to parse the sentence.

Then it=E2=80=99s not predictable.

How does that folow? What do you mean by "predictable" then? G= iven any grammatical utterance, you can know without any ambiguity where th= e em-dash goes.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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