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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9si653090wiz.3.2015.05.27.02.07.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 May 2015 02:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id mx19so103380998wic.0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2015 02:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.172.130 with SMTP id bc2mr50539406wjc.85.1432717633267; Wed, 27 May 2015 02:07:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2015 02:06:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> References: <1668540.L6pQx4xKKk@caracal> <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 12:06:52 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c6342982dea05170c91ed X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013c6342982dea05170c91ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-05-26 22:33 GMT+03:00 Michael Everson : > I need someone to help me deal with questions concerning nested quotation= , > and narrative structure where the narrator interjects into a quotation. T= he > particle =E2=80=9Csei" starts a metalinguistic discourse; what ends one? > In short, the selbri (main verb) itself closes it by the virtue of how its grammar works. You may see something similar for {lo} in {lo broda} and similar constructs that in 90% of cases doesn't need any terminators (markers of the end of constructs). However, I'd prefer not nesting {sei}-clauses inside {lu ... li'u} quotes since otherwise if you do want to quote a {sei}-clause you are left with uglier ways of doing so. Also since probably this project aims at selling books I'd prefer replacing all compound words (lujvo) not in the dictionary with their expanded forms to make the reading easier for people still not fluent in Lojban. As for =E2=80=9CVictorian=E2=80=9D typographic principles those are IMO com= patible with Lojban. 2015-05-26 22:33 GMT+03:00 Michael Everson : > This is the 150th anniversary of the publication of Alice and I=E2=80=99d= like to > move forward with the project. To do that, I=E2=80=99d like to ask if any= one would > like to volunteer to work with me. > What other help needed? Personally I have in my ToDo updating the translation to make it easier to read by using less complex words and constructs. What is the deadline? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e013c6342982dea05170c91ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2015-05-26 22:3= 3 GMT+03:00 Michael Everson=C2=A0<everson@evertype.com>:<= br>
I = need someone to help me deal with questions concerning nested quotation, an= d narrative structure where the narrator interjects into a quotation. The p= article =E2=80=9Csei" starts a metalinguistic discourse; what ends one= ?

In short, the selbri (main verb) itself c= loses it by the virtue of how its grammar works. You may see something simi= lar for {lo} in {lo broda} and similar constructs that in 90% of cases does= n't need any terminators (markers of the end of constructs).
However, I'd prefer not nesting {sei}-clauses ins= ide {lu ... li'u} quotes since otherwise if you do want to quote a {sei= }-clause you are left with uglier ways of doing so.

Also since probably this proj= ect aims at selling books I'd prefer replacing all compound words (lujv= o) not in the dictionary with their expanded forms to make the reading easi= er for people still not fluent in Lojban.
<= br>
As for =E2=80=9CVictorian=E2=80=9D typo= graphic principles those are IMO compatible with Lojban.

2015-05-26 22:33 GMT+03:= 00 Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com>:
This is the 150t= h anniversary of the publication of Alice and I=E2=80=99d like to move forw= ard with the project. To do that, I=E2=80=99d like to ask if anyone would l= ike to volunteer to work with me.

What othe= r help needed? Personally I have in my ToDo updating the translation to mak= e it easier to read by using less complex words and constructs. What is the= deadline?

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