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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p12si88069wiv.1.2015.05.27.03.07.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 May 2015 03:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::234; Received: by mail-wi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id mx19so105318841wic.0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2015 03:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.109.229 with SMTP id hv5mr58945321wjb.119.1432721270904; Wed, 27 May 2015 03:07:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Wed, 27 May 2015 03:07:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1668540.L6pQx4xKKk@caracal> <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 13:07:30 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b60441a6a212b05170d6a88 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b60441a6a212b05170d6a88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-27 12:56 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > > On 27 May 2015 10:07, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > Personally I have in my ToDo updating the translation to make it easier > to read by using less complex words and constructs. > > Replacing all other lujvo by zei lujvo would make it easier to discern the > component parts but would make the text harder to read because of > increasing verbosity and monotony. > I wouldn't use lujvo at all, see above. > To my mind, a reader coming across an unfamiliar lujvo should look it up > in the dictionary, and shouldn't rely on guessing the meaning from the > lujvo's derivational components. > But since some lujvo have never been used at all except in this translation and since no one was able to produce a working dictionary with lujvo this "should look it up in the dictionary" requirement is unrealistic (jbovlaste produces huge dictionary with thousands of words as well which imo wouldn't work as an appendix to "Alice"). --And. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2015-05-27 12:56 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:


On 27 May 2015 10:07, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
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> Personally I have in my ToDo updating the translation to make it easie= r to read by using less complex words and constructs.

Replacing all other lujvo by zei lujvo would make it = easier to discern the component parts but would make the text harder to rea= d because of increasing verbosity and monotony.

I woul= dn't use lujvo at all, see above.
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To my mind, a reader coming across an unfamiliar lujvo shoul= d look it up in the dictionary, and shouldn't rely on guessing the mean= ing from the lujvo's derivational components.

But = since some lujvo have never been used at all except in this translation and= since no one was able to produce a working dictionary with lujvo this &quo= t;should look it up in the dictionary" requirement is unrealistic (jbo= vlaste produces huge dictionary with thousands of words as well which imo w= ouldn't work as an appendix to "Alice").

=

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