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[78.137.164.59]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k10si313054wia.1.2015.05.27.03.54.30 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 May 2015 03:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of everson@evertype.com designates 78.137.164.59 as permitted sender) client-ip=78.137.164.59; Received: from [37.228.241.140] (port=50734 helo=[192.168.0.10]) by lh19.dnsireland.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YxYyi-00061q-5C for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 27 May 2015 11:54:28 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 11:54:22 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3D6FD00E-A845-4150-AFD8-E6A309C40146@evertype.com> References: <1668540.L6pQx4xKKk@caracal> <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> <5564D0CA.3040206@gmx.de> <8B7FE06C-76A0-4791-AE30-E93351732DA7@evertype.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lh19.dnsireland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - googlegroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - evertype.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: lh19.dnsireland.com: authenticated_id: everson+evertype.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Original-Sender: everson@evertype.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of everson@evertype.com designates 78.137.164.59 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=everson@evertype.com; dkim=policy (weak key) header.i=@evertype.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 27 May 2015, at 01:30, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >>> The terminator for "sei" is "se'u", but it is very often elidible. >>=20 >> Well, it=E2=80=99s YOUR language, guys, but that pretty much defeats the= predictability of the system. If you have sei/se=E2=80=99u alongside lu/li= =E2=80=99u, why can on be elided but the other not? >=20 > "li'u" can be elided sometimes too, but less often. The reason is that th= e type of things that sei-se'u can bracket is much more restricted than the= type of things lu-li'u can bracket. =E2=80=9CCan be elided sometimes=E2=80=9D. What are the rules for choosing?= =20 >>>> Is the position of a closing em-dash predictable? >>>=20 >>> Yes, but you need to parse the sentence. >>>=20 >> Then it=E2=80=99s not predictable. >=20 > How does that folow? What do you mean by "predictable" then? Given any gr= ammatical utterance, you can know without any ambiguity where the em-dash g= oes. You can=E2=80=99t predict without knowing the language, unless you can tell= me that every selbri (verb?) has a certain syllable structure and that no = other words or particles in the language have that same structure.=20 I can predict where to add in guillemets because of the citation particles.= Not so with sei/se=E2=80=99u if the latter is left off. And what is the ra= tionale for leaving it off?=20 Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.