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[78.137.164.59]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3si701216wib.2.2015.05.27.06.56.06 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 27 May 2015 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of everson@evertype.com designates 78.137.164.59 as permitted sender) client-ip=78.137.164.59; Received: from [37.228.241.140] (port=50611 helo=[192.168.0.10]) by lh19.dnsireland.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YxboR-0002iE-Qv for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 27 May 2015 14:56:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <5565C857.4020702@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:56:04 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1668540.L6pQx4xKKk@caracal> <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> <2A580ECF-BBF0-43E3-8C95-2ADF1CF8A532@evertype.com> <5565C857.4020702@gmx.de> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lh19.dnsireland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - googlegroups.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - evertype.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: lh19.dnsireland.com: authenticated_id: everson+evertype.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Original-Sender: everson@evertype.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of everson@evertype.com designates 78.137.164.59 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=everson@evertype.com; dkim=policy (weak key) header.i=@evertype.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 27 May 2015, at 14:36, selpa'i wrote: > One question: If you care so much about making the text easier to read al= oud, why are you removing all the mandatory glottal stops (i.e. the dots)? = Without them, the narrator (performer) is likely to not pronounce them at l= east for certain cmevla, because you first have to see the entire word and = make sure it ends in a consonant to know that you have the pronounce the gl= ottal stop (or pause) before the word (and after it, but that's easier). I = understand why you don't want to use dots to mark the glottal stops, but ma= ybe you could use another symbol. Well, a glottal stop is a consonant, and a pause is a pause. =E2=80=9CWhat = is Lojban?" says: The period is an optional reminder to the reader, representing a mandatory = pause dictated by the rules of the language. Such pauses can be of any dura= tion, and are part of the morphology, or word formation rules, and not the = grammar. In general this dot appears before letters which would be capitalized (sent= ence-initial .i) or surrounding loanwords (.dorotis.) which would be capita= lized as well. I=E2=80=99d suggest that the capitalization would be enough = of a reminder (and the reminder is described as =E2=80=9Coptional=E2=80=9D = anyway though the stop or pause is not). Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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