Received: from mail-vn0-f59.google.com ([209.85.216.59]:34156) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yxt2j-0007VT-P8 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 28 May 2015 01:20:02 -0700 Received: by vnbf129 with SMTP id f129sf9124976vnb.1 for ; Thu, 28 May 2015 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x_cmae_category:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=z/ySAdpGmEzJm5SpvLkHeSK2Cdn5ODjVMYYlV0Hgvyk=; b=txECzMjNYq/9Frh0Y5tz8agXmLHhaxI0qZD7H14iuhopPu4ytLfTXkPforQS6HUDtG eFUXHp3Z3QRomrxhPGj4riDqDUskPxO0dgn724kI2wt9HfYTPQWOWjGp+NW/T0++96Me 7fG1t9BWVcin7BoWa7jKoKvXoX1ZVUc5gBdR/C26Ijy5dil+HUrcMt1PCfamOfHsD3ry Zbon2xvO6Ay1XmjfF58o6/JRbKLaSueaige+HS6RKP9fss2nms//ySNxTvfWTXJHbRbG 9Nzf3bTiJ/VVWXQTMfP1/7sOE7oOvohr8gV8egBMG+Y3jgwVT5m2xf8LCl2rpxx54W6c /EBQ== X-Received: by 10.140.104.72 with SMTP id z66mr14402qge.14.1432801190866; Thu, 28 May 2015 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.94.180 with SMTP id g49ls658023qge.28.gmail; Thu, 28 May 2015 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.30.129 with SMTP id s1mr1859107vdh.3.1432801190666; Thu, 28 May 2015 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.hughes.net (smtp.hughes.net. [69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4si1351415igc.3.2015.05.28.01.19.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 May 2015 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZujUdbLG c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=Ex_9ZldTLfsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=h1PgugrvaO0A:10 a=zSJev_wQoWKUw10sS3gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:52337] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id F0/32-08210-6AFC6655; Thu, 28 May 2015 04:19:50 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B939C436C for ; Thu, 28 May 2015 04:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] panda Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 04:19:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1802514.MF7yaMkAtn@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Spheniscine entered {ci'onmau} to replace {cionmau}, which is invalidated by the CGV rule. I said I once jokingly thought of calling the lesser panda {cionme'a}, so he entered {ci'onme'a} as the lesser panda and defined {ci'onmau} as just the giant panda. The giant panda is a bear while the red panda is not, so any taxon that includes both includes all bears. But the two pandas both have projecting wrist bones used to hold bamboo, not found elsewhere in the Caniformia, so it is useful to speak of pandas. What should we call pandas, including both species? Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.