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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3si10098wib.2.2015.05.28.17.09.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 May 2015 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b; Received: by mail-wi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id o1so3339180wiz.1 for ; Thu, 28 May 2015 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.60.43 with SMTP id e11mr10195197wjr.36.1432858193623; Thu, 28 May 2015 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2015 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2015 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <471E8D58-43C0-4B8A-97E3-927640DF9D89@evertype.com> References: <1668540.L6pQx4xKKk@caracal> <9248C4CE-DAAE-4BB4-8A28-C6C579472035@evertype.com> <2A580ECF-BBF0-43E3-8C95-2ADF1CF8A532@evertype.com> <5565C857.4020702@gmx.de> <5565E5EC.6030308@gmail.com> <5566038E.6030201@gmail.com> <471E8D58-43C0-4B8A-97E3-927640DF9D89@evertype.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 01:09:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book From: And Rosta To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86de86a4ffd805172d4b88 X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b86de86a4ffd805172d4b88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28 May 2015 23:06, "Michael Everson" wrote: > > On 27 May 2015, at 18:49, And Rosta wrote: > > >> A pause of indeterminate length is a phoneme? > > > > A pause of indeterminate length is phonetic realization of a phoneme. > > As you wish. I love oddball linguistics. :-) It's hardly as I wish; I think it's moronic. Almost all of the language is other than I would wish it to be. > > sei/se'u is regular; it just is regular according to rules less simple than you would prefer. > > Well, it does make it impossible to apply punctuation automatically, since the only way that one could do so is to have a script that would parse a variable-lengths string following =E2=80=9Csei=E2=80=9D to find the= word of the selbri class. Not that the application of punctuation is a goal of Lojban. Indeed. Your project is somewhat quixotic. I wish Lojban did less violence to prevailing typographical and orthographical conventions. I hate that sodding apostrophe, that makes the written language so instantly recognizable. But it is what it is, and if it were what I wish it were, it would be an utterly different language. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On 28 May 2015 23:06, "Michael Everson" <everson@evertype.com> wrote:
>
> On 27 May 2015, at 18:49, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> A pause of indeterminate length is a phoneme?
> >
> > A pause of indeterminate length is phonetic realization of a phon= eme.
>
> As you wish. I love oddball linguistics. :-)

It's hardly as I wish; I think it's moronic. Almost = all of the language is other than I would wish it to be.

> > sei/se'u is regular; it just is regular accord= ing to rules less simple than you would prefer.
>
> Well, it does make it impossible to apply punctuation automatically, s= ince the only way that one could do so is to have a script that would parse= a variable-lengths string following =E2=80=9Csei=E2=80=9D to find the word= of the selbri class. Not that the application of punctuation is a goal of = Lojban.

Indeed. Your project is somewhat quixotic.

I wish Lojban did less violence to prevailing typographical = and orthographical conventions. I hate that sodding apostrophe, that makes = the written language so instantly recognizable. But it is what it is, and i= f it were what I wish it were, it would be an utterly different language. <= /p>

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