Received: from mail-ig0-f184.google.com ([209.85.213.184]:33033) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YySUx-0002Z2-R9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 29 May 2015 15:11:32 -0700 Received: by igdh15 with SMTP id h15sf6257086igd.0 for ; Fri, 29 May 2015 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x_cmae_category:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=JN7NXhX5z98ttwvl3rJEYKdQNi0YqFj5H7ZUVpXALT8=; b=h2x8mu1q17BUWvxu2QkkbyD/ZeQ7X4FRcMbrcUhVy6OxGO+VxTQuvHTiUmJx5BtJxg tVnaVAP3v+8UaTG9Ye/6jvqBWri/puiJwsyLHO3wxVjLDhnZoCT0EUea/r83tWmVK4YX lLzu2Y9FCXeRz2P0fMoypa1VE4gM582cItRSm++gzaP1XB167mG/i/LWoemyVy1FaTTx Ekot67geyswwqqOjoqwD2qUXDHBBfqo9jkYN6N28NhP1fch54EpbXeIodCQiiiLE8oMM IxLt0gKTKNKKUeWLREqsFmYUnfssHhmAk4yvO88JL3iZZHCTfzqrJX7meVWiDcxbeW0O ABKw== X-Received: by 10.182.219.42 with SMTP id pl10mr84409obc.29.1432937481893; Fri, 29 May 2015 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.106.12 with SMTP id gq12ls515223obb.19.gmail; Fri, 29 May 2015 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.191.65 with SMTP id gw1mr12419171obc.35.1432937481618; Fri, 29 May 2015 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.hughes.net (smtp.hughes.net. [69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l4si270483igk.3.2015.05.29.15.11.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 May 2015 15:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=L+4kHYj8 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=Ex_9ZldTLfsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=h1PgugrvaO0A:10 a=edgQqWG21PWaEB13FO8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=BIFGXlEOPj4A:10 a=8Y-gNu1VFdcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:58920] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 77/ED-26404-904E8655; Fri, 29 May 2015 18:11:21 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3AF24DE for ; Fri, 29 May 2015 18:11:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {ciftoldi}. caterpillar is not a cifnu Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 18:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1665185.ELCLSQSzNG@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <884b3156-d02e-427c-9a31-788cee4ef966@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Friday, May 29, 2015 14:26:40 Michael Turniansky wrote: > And yet turtles and snakes and fish just out of the egg can fend for > themselves. Are you saying the are not babies? What you have here is the altricial-precocial distinction. This is independent of whether the baby is a larva. Caterpillars are precocial; schadons are altricial. Gnus are precocial; humans are altricial. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.