Received: from mail-lb0-f184.google.com ([209.85.217.184]:32838) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz2QK-0002ET-VD for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:33:10 -0700 Received: by lbdu14 with SMTP id u14sf33376570lbd.0 for ; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=vuzhQFp96sBRCpSfTzpcscffKd9VvRQsttVoYba8xq8=; b=rFgr5JdLBVaONEcp3QionLgawCGRX2W3BCJvZ3ozYiacynr2EXUemXQLu4wR5ImXgl X1+1JfvamwzRcHf7DAzx99c2WrbXS886dAv9UQHGWDI4bNMl+7Gfs2B9boSzkYu+g9QM bNQd5Soax43cQbOMhn5/t3natUwcotcDVHeh0qApWAZwVsm7Xp69ot35P3M876nRaNYz 0st+X+fNViSDDR64uxmaFr73gWV5DrEXAtQu0NO63c/tweH4XJMUGiJRxnH9wsi61hZF FTkxVHPsYReSCBzpFQeLLWTAOxxOTGtHAEwztokNxuu+xDle7iEoWga4atvL4mKvBliz gfKg== X-Received: by 10.152.45.7 with SMTP id i7mr194061lam.15.1433075577928; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.43.36 with SMTP id t4ls552015lal.99.gmail; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.3.131 with SMTP id c3mr7463241lac.4.1433075577264; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc3si351794wib.2.2015.05.31.05.32.57 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b; Received: by mail-wi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id mx19so52966547wic.0 for ; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.216.196 with SMTP id os4mr32398556wjc.117.1433075577184; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.26.17 with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2015 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <21d0528e-7ece-41ca-a9e3-f57b22cc3f43@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:32:57 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Proposal: loi lerfu tcita detri; the final word on the problem of dates and times? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2902ab6e68b05175fe8ae X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2902ab6e68b05175fe8ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:22 AM, la gleki wrote: > > Disadvantages: > a. Like it's {pi'e} equivalent it's not a predicate language. An expansion > of these rules into predicates is needed for linguistic purposes no matter > how verbose the expansion will be (i.e. its value for everyday usage is > irrelevant). {citsi} also has to be explained in this expansion since it is > one of the few "splicing time interval" brivla. relations like {ca}/date, > {ze'a}/period are to be explained. > b. Those are new rules injected into the language. Multiplying entities is > usually not good. Although they actually make {pi'e} solution not needed so > in total the required part of the language becomes less heavy. > c. timezone can't be easily specified inside {de'i} using names of > countries. > d. It will break down if (and hopefully when) digit strings become disentangled from letter strings. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c2902ab6e68b05175fe8ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:22 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
Disadvantages:
a. Like it's {pi'e} equivalent it&= #39;s not a predicate language. An expansion of these rules into predicates= is needed for linguistic purposes no matter how verbose the expansion will= be (i.e. its value for everyday usage is irrelevant). {citsi} also has to = be explained in this expansion since it is one of the few "splicing ti= me interval" brivla. relations like {ca}/date, {ze'a}/period are t= o be explained.
b. Those are new rules injected into the language= . Multiplying entities is usually not good. Although they actually make {pi= 'e} solution not needed so in total the required part of the language b= ecomes less heavy.
c. timezone can't be easily specified insi= de {de'i} using names of countries.

d. It will break down if (and hopefully when) digit strings become= disentangled from letter strings.

mu'o mi'= ;e xorxes

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