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Subject: Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book
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On 29 May 2015, at 01:09, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> A pause of indeterminate length is a phoneme?
>>>>=20
>>> A pause of indeterminate length is phonetic realization of a phoneme.
>>>=20
>> As you wish. I love oddball linguistics. :-)
>>=20
> It's hardly as I wish; I think it's moronic. Almost all of the language i=
s other than I would wish it to be.

OK; I don=E2=80=99t know who is happy or unhappy with Lojban. I=E2=80=99m t=
rying to edge towards a particular publication. It appears Gleki is the one=
 who is willing to help me push through.

>>> sei/se'u is regular; it just is regular according to rules less simple =
than you would prefer.
>>=20
>> Well, it does make it impossible to apply punctuation automatically, sin=
ce the only way that one could do so is to have a script that would parse a=
 variable-lengths string following =E2=80=9Csei=E2=80=9D to find the word o=
f the selbri class. Not that the application of punctuation is a goal of Lo=
jban.
>=20
> Indeed. Your project is somewhat quixotic.

Idealistic and impractical? I don=E2=80=99t know. I think it will make a Lo=
jban look like a language, not like a wall of words.=20

> I wish Lojban did less violence to prevailing typographical and orthograp=
hical conventions. I hate that sodding apostrophe, that makes the written l=
anguage so instantly recognizable. But it is what it is, and if it were wha=
t I wish it were, it would be an utterly different language.

Lojban is Lojban whether it is written with its current conventions, or in =
Tengwar, or in my Victorian conventions, or not written at all but only spo=
ken. The same sorts of things can be said about English or Quenya or Chines=
e.=20

Would Polynesian languages be better off without the glottal stop? Maybe. I=
n my editions I make sure that the fonts treat the glottal as larger and mo=
re distinct than the regular quotation marks. Looks a lot better.


Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

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