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On Sunday, May 31, 2015 15:56:08 Michael Everson wrote:
> I guess I thought of lu/li=E2=80=99u and sei/se=E2=80=99u like opening an=
d closing
> parentheses and having open parentheses in the language for both of those
> pairs but mandatory closing parentheses only for one of them doesn=E2=80=
=99t seem
> consistent.
> > {sei} and bridi tails have different grammar. The selbri itself termina=
tes
> > {sei}-clause, thus the end of {sei}-clause is 100%-predictable. When th=
e
> > selbri is encountered it's the signal that {sei}-clause just ended.
> Only if you know what a selbri is (or whether or not a given word is a
> selbri). And that means knowledge of the language, unless selbris are
> identifiable by their syllable structure or something. If not, then
> external knowledge must be there to identify the members of a class calle=
d
> selbri.

A brivla (a single-word selbri) is identifiable by ending in a vowel other =
than=20
'y', having at least two syllables whose nucleus is a vowel or diphthong no=
t=20
containing 'y', and having two consonants either together or separated by '=
y'.=20
There are corner cases involving cmavo ending in 'y' (e.g. "leky.boi mlatu"=
=20
means "K's cat", "lekyboi mlatu" means "is a cold-ball cat"), but writing=
=20
cmavo ending in 'y' together with both adjacent cmavo (unless they also end=
 in=20
'y' or are "bu"-letterals) is pretty rare.

> By the way as a linguist I find Lojban to be completely opaque in not usi=
ng
> words like verb or noun or adjective.

Brivla are verbs, cmene are nouns, and there are no adjectives or adverbs i=
n=20
Lojban. The equivalent of a noun phrase is an article phrase, as adding an=
=20
article to a verb makes it syntactically like a verb argument (sumti). Comm=
on=20
nouns are expressed by verbs. There is no syntactic difference between "le=
=20
mlatu cu blabi" ("the cat is white") and "le blabi cu mlatu" (*"the white i=
s=20
cat", "the white one is a cat"). There are parts of speech in Lojban that=
=20
don't exist in natlangs that I know of, such as terminators.

Pierre
--=20
loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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