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2015-05-31 20:12 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

> Gleki Arxokuna, On 31/05/2015 17:53:
>
>>
>> 2015-05-31 19:36 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org <mailto:
>> phma@bezitopo.org>>:
>>
>>     There are parts of speech in Lojban that
>>     don't exist in natlangs that I know of, such as terminators.
>>
>>
>> the right part of circumposition is called "terminator" in Lojban.
>>
>
> That's an interesting and potentially insightful definition, but it turns
> an awful lot of things into adpositions.


oops, true. For LE  I'm not aware of any languages that have prefixes to
turn verbs into nouns. Definitely LE are not articles in it normal
linguistic sense (although {le} may have some semantics of them).

Maybe it would be better to say that the morphophonological form of a
> phrase is derived not by simple concatenation of the morphophonological
> forms of the phrase's constituents but rather by 'circumcatenation', with
> the morphophonological form of the head wrapped around the
> morphophonological form of its complement.


I'd say that terminators are rather explicit markers of nodes of the tree,
something that many natlangs and colloquial Lojban avoid by rephrasing and
what in the rest of cases is resolved by context in natlangs and is absent
in correct Lojban.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2015-05-31 20:12 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:and.rosta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">and.rosta@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Gleki Arxokuna, On 31/05/2015 17:53=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
2015-05-31 19:36 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo=
.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:=
phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;&gt;:<span cl=
ass=3D""><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are parts of speech in Lojban that<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 don&#39;t exist in natlangs that I know of, such as terminato=
rs.<br>
<br>
<br>
the right part of circumposition is called &quot;terminator&quot; in Lojban=
.<br>
</span></blockquote>
<br>
That&#39;s an interesting and potentially insightful definition, but it tur=
ns an awful lot of things into adpositions.</blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>oops, true. For LE =C2=A0I&#39;m not aware of any languages that have pref=
ixes to turn verbs into nouns. Definitely LE are not articles in it normal =
linguistic sense (although {le} may have some semantics of them).</div><div=
><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Maybe it would be better to say =
that the morphophonological form of a phrase is derived not by simple conca=
tenation of the morphophonological forms of the phrase&#39;s constituents b=
ut rather by &#39;circumcatenation&#39;, with the morphophonological form o=
f the head wrapped around the morphophonological form of its complement.</b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d say that terminators are rather expli=
cit markers of nodes of the tree, something that many natlangs and colloqui=
al Lojban avoid by rephrasing and what in the rest of cases is resolved by =
context in natlangs and is absent in correct Lojban.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
--And.</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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