Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 08:52:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Proposal: Kill (pe'a) all syllabic consonants
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There are some possible downsides though to the minimalist, "*ca'e* /S/ and 
/yS/ are now allophones" approach:

   - The tests run were based on specific words; there is a slight 
   possibility that there is actually a form somewhere that could break up, 
   and unless we come up with a mathematical proof that this change can't make 
   *any* crazy pathological word break up, word boundary ambiguity might 
   crop up somewhere. It's better for the JVS algorithm and parsers to be 
   equipped to catch this error.
   - Syllabic consonants just look ugly, *pe'i.* They make syllabic 
   resolution difficult; and I can somewhat imagine a potential learner going 
   "so the only way to "safely" make a loan word is to crunch all these 
   consonants together*? ... I'm out". Then again, I entered {briii 
   <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/briii>} to JVS, so I don't know how 
   seriously anyone would take my opinion :p

* or, if *la .guskant.*'s month/day names catch on, "do all the 
month/weekday names look this way?" **
** [incidentally if it weren't for the syllabic consonants I would favor 
them over {pavma'i} et al, which rely on numeric *rafsi* forms with 
additional consonants to learn]

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<div dir=3D"ltr">There are some possible downsides though to the minimalist=
, "<i>ca'e</i>&nbsp;/S/ and /yS/ are now allophones" approach:<div><ul><li>=
<span style=3D"line-height: normal;">The tests run were based on specific w=
ords; there is a slight possibility that there is actually a form somewhere=
 that could break up, and unless we come up with a mathematical proof that =
this change can't make <i>any</i>&nbsp;crazy pathological word break up, wo=
rd boundary ambiguity might crop up somewhere. It's better for the JVS algo=
rithm and parsers to be equipped to catch this error.</span></li><li><span =
style=3D"line-height: normal;">Syllabic consonants just look ugly, <i>pe'i.=
</i>&nbsp;They make syllabic resolution difficult; and I can somewhat imagi=
ne a potential learner going "so the only way to "safely" make a loan word =
is to crunch all these consonants together*?&nbsp;... I'm out". Then again,=
 I entered {<a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/briii">briii</a>} t=
o JVS, so I don't know how seriously anyone would take my opinion :p</span>=
</li></ul><div>* or, if <i>la .guskant.</i>'s month/day names catch on, "do=
 all the month/weekday names look this way?" **</div><div>** [incidentally =
if it weren't for the syllabic consonants I would favor them over {pavma'i}=
&nbsp;et al, which rely on numeric <i>rafsi</i> forms with additional conso=
nants to learn]</div></div></div>

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