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Subject: Re: [lojban] Proposal: Kill (pe'a) all syllabic consonants
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Another proposal can be just making them variations of the same word like
now muvgau = muvdygasnu

2015-06-01 15:03 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <spheniscine@gmail.com>:

> Simply put, systematically replace all syllabic consonants /S/ with /yS/. *la
> gocti* *no'u* *la cirko* ran some tests on the current JVS *zi'evla* list
> and found no word-boundary resolution problems. This would affect all
> *cibyfu'ivla* that used a syllabic consonant hyphen, although some *na'e
> cibyfu'ivla je zi'evla* would also be affected, like {iklki}
>
> Expected advantages:
>
>    - Many people have trouble distinguishing /S/ from /yS/, whether in
>    speaking or in hearing;
>    - It prevents corner case problems of how certain strings of possible
>    syllabic consonants should be pronounced, e.g. {anlnda} = {an,ln,da} or
>    {a,nln,da}?
>    - As a small side effect, the /l/ hyphen for *cibyfu'ivla* would no
>    longer be needed, as e.g. {ler,l,djamo} could be rendered {leryrdjamo}
>    instead. It might not be worth trying to systematically change existing
>    *cibyfu'ivla* this way though.
>
> Expected disadvantages:
>
>    - It would complicate *zi'evla* rules somewhat, as before they
>    couldn't contain /y/, but now, they can in a very specific context.
>    - Syllabic consonants can't be consistently banned from *cmevla* as
>    well without also deciding to apply the multi-consonant syllabic coda ban
>    to them, which would be quite problematic to anyone whose name ends in a
>    consonant cluster.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Another proposal can be just making them variations of the=
 same word like now muvgau =3D muvdygasnu</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015-06-01 15:03 GMT+03:00 Spheniscine (la zi=
pcpi) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spheniscine@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">spheniscine@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Simply put, systematically replace all syllabic c=
onsonants /S/ with /yS/. <i>la gocti</i>=C2=A0<i>no&#39;u</i>=C2=A0<i>la ci=
rko</i> ran some tests on the current JVS <i>zi&#39;evla</i> list and found=
 no word-boundary resolution problems. This would affect all <i>cibyfu&#39;=
ivla</i> that used a syllabic consonant hyphen, although some <i>na&#39;e c=
ibyfu&#39;ivla je zi&#39;evla</i> would also be affected, like {iklki}<div>=
<br></div><div>Expected advantages:</div><div><ul><li>Many people have trou=
ble distinguishing /S/ from /yS/, whether in speaking or in hearing;<br></l=
i><li>It prevents corner case problems of how certain strings of possible s=
yllabic consonants should be pronounced, e.g. {anlnda} =3D {an,ln,da} or {a=
,nln,da}?</li><li>As a small side effect, the /l/ hyphen for <i>cibyfu&#39;=
ivla</i>=C2=A0would no longer be needed, as e.g. {ler,l,djamo}=C2=A0could b=
e rendered {leryrdjamo} instead. It might not be worth trying to systematic=
ally change existing <i>cibyfu&#39;ivla</i>=C2=A0this way though.</li></ul>=
<div><span style=3D"line-height:17px">Expected disadvantages:</span></div><=
/div><div><ul><li>It would complicate <i>zi&#39;evla</i> rules somewhat, as=
 before they couldn&#39;t contain /y/, but now, they can in a very specific=
 context.</li><li>Syllabic consonants can&#39;t be consistently banned from=
=C2=A0<i>cmevla</i>=C2=A0as well without also deciding to apply the multi-c=
onsonant syllabic coda ban to them, which would be quite problematic to any=
one whose name ends in a consonant cluster.</li></ul></div></div><span clas=
s=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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