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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s16si889907ign.2.2015.06.01.08.46.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Jun 2015 08:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZujUdbLG c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=Ex_9ZldTLfsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=Ar-hEUPX5ucXoZsjfXEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:38393] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id BE/E6-08210-15E7C655; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:46:25 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D28D11B3 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 11:46:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Proposal: Kill (pe'a) all syllabic consonants Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2654141.sh7D4DH1kS@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Monday, June 01, 2015 05:03:03 Spheniscine wrote: > Simply put, systematically replace all syllabic consonants /S/ with /yS/. > *la gocti* *no'u* *la cirko* ran some tests on the current JVS *zi'evla* > list and found no word-boundary resolution problems. This would affect all > *cibyfu'ivla* that used a syllabic consonant hyphen, although some *na'e > cibyfu'ivla je zi'evla* would also be affected, like {iklki} If a brivla contains 'y', that 'y' is always an interfix at a morpheme boundary. Changing all syllabic consonants to /yS/ would break that rule. If the syllabic consonant happens to be 'm' (which is never an interfix itself), this could cause problems with analyzing into morphemes because there are initial clusters beginning with 'm'. Thus a zi'evla "brodmrastu" would become "brodymrastu", which is a lujvo. There is no ambiguity in "anlnda". It is "an,ln,da", because "nln" is not a possible syllable. Pierre -- ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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