Received: from mail-qk0-f185.google.com ([209.85.220.185]:33182) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YzUkN-0000gg-Bx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:47:44 -0700 Received: by qkby64 with SMTP id y64sf33899099qkb.0 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x_cmae_category:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=KITvETlA0NTSd/OZNx9MY1vNv5jvAIXxeEpcTMDmpyk=; b=zZLf9o2BG7zSKINbJEztKD6zLc2kNuljQNVp1emAwFOGSZvg1jRjs6c9GHLfbBlRZ0 w2viyXR0OsZhUr78Ss85KriTMFzawb78lFIkfaSxcV3YSKUfn9n/76H2YHrCVwRdTa6y KuSUTYPmXD4vU66GcE7r47MEtjzQWeajZN3Qy9CwZEIgy2hZikZ+75n8r6091DUQgyZO U81OkJTQteWPJ9UfpVAzSn2ez4dZnJ6myqOSuuvjnP+n2WhY7Wp/90UFBoEk+X+dV2fz Z0Ut+q8Zqq7+D5aP4B2oU6EHTLpC0RQEliogan7sqcV2OEM+k3tqFvd4cPIPGi4eoYBQ 3nfA== X-Received: by 10.50.50.179 with SMTP id d19mr173806igo.0.1433184453308; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.168.149 with SMTP id e21ls1780839ioj.9.gmail; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.142.8 with SMTP id rs8mr17501501igb.13.1433184452844; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.hughes.net (smtp.hughes.net. [69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x1si939174igb.2.2015.06.01.11.47.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Jun 2015 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZujUdbLG c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=Ex_9ZldTLfsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=_hcGrpr8yg45dE8cgR4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wNavNM7n6c4A:10 a=I3lie5EfbxAA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:46062] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id BA/99-08210-4C8AC655; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:47:32 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8451C4D6 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2015 14:47:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] proximate/obviative Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 14:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1739429.IBZhHEHfnp@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - We have ten third-person pronouns, of which five begin with 'k' and five be= gin=20 with 'f'. If we want to make a proximate/obviative distinction, which shoul= d=20 we use for proximate and which for obviative? Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.