Received: from mail-oi0-f56.google.com ([209.85.218.56]:34196) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YzdS2-0000Mc-K0 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:05:23 -0700 Received: by oiav63 with SMTP id v63sf35990165oia.1 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=YNRFUrh6FDwMB1a88CSGCBiUTXsD6O9ej9tgN3GBe0s=; b=yyzqWVtEx1kyM2zceqUvDO8ukIQz/OgFFVKU1k/adKzNXq26ZhVJqGqRt1QFFhB9Pn P+8ZupGRXAMfhLQjDtxdqjQFUICWPkB+0Rx4UDOrkxpVuSaymEL+KKCxT94HZnam3/2k Q/tP4W0nRlpc1SdbfWqPgSeafpdGA4x4gqq2EsR2NFeRLsA1H3JJqT18L+7Si+Y1AR/a s7foyz05BEjY93R17A4+drqYrW9LpTOHqoe7cZXIw31AoapWfsl7MF8FbO3hhdGc8ONY ryyI8Ska9jK+h7iitKif/USpxpG9tylKfUUGU3nXX4yqF26tFOHy73XS3OXN3fo7nMl4 wiCA== X-Received: by 10.50.25.199 with SMTP id e7mr203049igg.16.1433217912140; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:05:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.41.149 with SMTP id p143ls1882697iop.1.gmail; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:05:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.178.136 with SMTP id bm8mr39634232icb.13.1433217911885; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jerrington.me (jerrington.me. [192.99.166.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ci2si409006vdd.3.2015.06.01.21.05.11 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2015 21:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tsani@mail.jerrington.me designates 192.99.166.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.99.166.45; Received: from [10.0.0.25] (104-247-240-77.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.247.240.77]) by jerrington.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFC741446E7 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 00:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <556D2B77.4090405@mail.jerrington.me> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 00:05:11 -0400 From: Jacob Thomas Errington User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {te fanza}? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040108070109020905040309" X-Original-Sender: tsani@mail.jerrington.me X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tsani@mail.jerrington.me designates 192.99.166.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=tsani@mail.jerrington.me Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040108070109020905040309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 06/01/2015 12:43 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote: > Seems odd that {fanza} doesn't have a place for how or by what aspect > {lo fanza} is annoying {lo se fanza}. I use {ka}-abstractions in fanza1 as a property of fanza2, the rationale being that you can't be annoying by things that you don't experience in some way. Hence, if a sound is annoying you (as you listen to it, for instance), then you can write {.i tu'a lo sance cu fanza mi} or more precisely {.i lo ka ce'u tirna lo sance cu fanza mi}. This also constitutes a good use case for {jai}: .i lo sance cu jai fanza mi .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --------------040108070109020905040309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 On 06/01/2015 12:43 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
Seems odd that {fanza} doesn't have a place for how or by what aspect {lo fanza} is annoying {lo se fanza}.

I use {ka}-abstractions in fanza1 as a property of fanza2, the rationale being that you can't be annoying by things that you don't experience in some way.
Hence, if a sound is annoying you (as you listen to it, for instance), then you can write {.i tu'a lo sance cu fanza mi} or more precisely {.i lo ka ce'u tirna lo sance cu fanza mi}.
This also constitutes a good use case for {jai}: .i lo sance cu jai fanza mi

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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