Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] {te fanza}?
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"This also constitutes a good use case for {jai}: .i lo sance cu jai fanza 
mi".  Thanks for the reminder that x1 should be an abstraction.  Question: 
the definitions of fanza that I've seen call for an event in x1. Does that 
allow for property abstractions?  I think I'm comfortable with the notion 
that a property can annoy, even if an event is required to 
"experience" most/all properties.

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 11:05:12 PM UTC-5, Jacob Thomas Errington wrote:
>
>  On 06/01/2015 12:43 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
>
> Seems odd that {fanza} doesn't have a place for how or by what aspect {lo 
> fanza} is annoying {lo se fanza}.
>
>
> I use {ka}-abstractions in fanza1 as a property of fanza2, the rationale 
> being that you can't be annoying by things that you don't experience in 
> some way. 
> Hence, if a sound is annoying you (as you listen to it, for instance), 
> then you can write {.i tu'a lo sance cu fanza mi} or more precisely {.i lo 
> ka ce'u tirna lo sance cu fanza mi}.
> This also constitutes a good use case for {jai}: .i lo sance cu jai fanza 
> mi
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>  

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<div dir=3D"ltr">"This also constitutes a good use case for {jai}: .i lo sa=
nce cu jai    fanza mi".&nbsp; Thanks for the reminder that x1 should be an=
 abstraction.&nbsp; Question: the definitions of fanza that I've seen call =
for an event in x1. Does that allow for property abstractions?&nbsp; I thin=
k I'm comfortable with the notion that a property can annoy, even if an eve=
nt is required to "experience"&nbsp;most/all properties.<br><br>On Monday, =
June 1, 2015 at 11:05:12 PM UTC-5, Jacob Thomas Errington wrote:<blockquote=
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    On 06/01/2015 12:43 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:<br>
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      <div dir=3D"ltr">Seems odd that {fanza} doesn't have a place for how
        or by what aspect {lo fanza} is annoying {lo se fanza}.</div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I use {ka}-abstractions in fanza1 as a property of fanza2, the
    rationale being that you can't be annoying by things that you don't
    experience in some way. <br>
    Hence, if a sound is annoying you (as you listen to it, for
    instance), then you can write {.i tu'a lo sance cu fanza mi} or more
    precisely {.i lo ka ce'u tirna lo sance cu fanza mi}.<br>
    This also constitutes a good use case for {jai}: .i lo sance cu jai
    fanza mi<br>
    <br>
    .i mi'e la tsani mu'o<br>
  </div>

</blockquote></div>

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