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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Proposal: loi lerfu tcita detri; the final word on
 the problem of dates and times?
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Le mercredi 3 juin 2015 00:35:23 UTC, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) a =C3=A9crit =
:
>
> doi .guskant. :
>
> My system isn't the only system that includes "magic letters" in the=20
> dates. Take the following character strings, all with a meaning under ISO=
=20
> 8601:
>
> 2015-W22
> 2015-05-31T19:00:17Z
>
P3Y6M4DT12H30M5S


As I said first, I'm not interested in any convention of the form of sumti=
=20
in {de'i/ti'u/te'i} clause (sorry for my bad English), and I don't mind if=
=20
you suggest anything about it unless il will affect my usage of Lojban. In=
=20
the current case, I was worried about an undesirable modification in=20
grammar, but (.ui) it seems needless anxiety in observing the further=20
messages of the thread:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/GQ9Mnwieue0/discussion

By the way, you can specify the system more precisely than {I'ySyO'y xi=20
8601}, for example:

ex1) tete'i I'ySyO'y xi 8601 joi lo sinxa be lo jeftu ...
ex2) ro detri poi pagbu di'e cu temjudri fi I'ySyO'y xi 8601 joi lo sinxa=
=20
be lo jeftu .i tu'e ...
ex3) ... ti'o fi I'ySyO'y xi 8601 joi lo sinxa be lo jeftu cu temjudri=20
(se'u) ... (though this usage of ti'o is somehow unexpected in CLL.)

and if once it is declared, you don't need to repeat it in the same=20
context, unless you want to mention a date in another format. Also for the=
=20
other system, you can specify the system as much precisely as you like,=20
with some mentioning like {porsi fa lo sinxa be lo jeftu ce'o lo djedi},=20
{lo manri be fi la stani joi jimca} (a calendar according to=20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagenary_cycle ), etc. The latter uses names=
=20
of animals instead of numbers, u'ipei.

Anyway, don't mind my rant for now: observing the current movement in the=
=20
bpfk-list, I'm rather {u'unmo} for posting that.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Le mercredi 3 juin 2015 00:35:23 UTC, Spheniscine (la =
zipcpi) a =C3=A9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">do=
i .guskant. :<div><br></div><div>My system isn't the only system that inclu=
des "magic letters" in the dates. Take the following character strings, all=
 with a meaning under ISO 8601:</div><div><br></div><div>2015-W22<br></div>=
<div>2015-05-31T19:00:17Z<br></div></div></blockquote><div>P3Y6M4DT12H30M5S=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As I said first, I'm not intereste=
d in any convention of the form of sumti in {de'i/ti'u/te'i} clause (sorry =
for my bad English), and I don't mind if you suggest anything about it unle=
ss il will affect my usage of Lojban. In the current case, I was worried ab=
out an undesirable modification in grammar, but (.ui) it seems needless anx=
iety in observing the further messages of the thread:</div><div>https://gro=
ups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/GQ9Mnwieue0/discussion</div><div><br></div=
><div>By the way, you can specify the system more precisely than {I'ySyO'y =
xi 8601}, for example:</div><div><br></div><div>ex1) tete'i I'ySyO'y xi 860=
1 joi lo sinxa be lo jeftu ...</div><div>ex2) ro detri poi pagbu di'e cu te=
mjudri fi I'ySyO'y xi 8601 joi lo sinxa be lo jeftu .i tu'e ...</div><div>e=
x3) ... ti'o fi I'ySyO'y xi 8601 joi lo sinxa be lo jeftu cu temjudri (se'u=
) ... (though this usage of ti'o is somehow unexpected in CLL.)</div><div><=
br></div><div>and if once it is declared, you don't need to repeat it in th=
e same context, unless you want to mention a date in another format. Also f=
or the other system, you can specify the system as much precisely as you li=
ke, with some mentioning like {porsi fa lo sinxa be lo jeftu ce'o lo djedi}=
, {lo manri be fi la stani joi jimca} (a calendar according to http://en.wi=
kipedia.org/wiki/Sexagenary_cycle ), etc. The latter uses names of animals =
instead of numbers, u'ipei.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, don't mind my =
rant for now: observing the current movement in the bpfk-list, I'm rather {=
u'unmo} for posting that.</div><div><br></div></div>

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