Received: from mail-qg0-f62.google.com ([209.85.192.62]:34470) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z2QBT-0006uT-0m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:50 -0700 Received: by qgdz60 with SMTP id z60sf8059272qgd.1 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=g53da/rZXsZHO0Og1odJ7Q6SDWMqKiJDTHHEflwGKms=; b=ZIY3/ZnYp0Kfi6Lm6g1eEAxjRzYkTHPH5FHVVXiNt5m7YiPf2wAdWtKqZ0zTzNNtAl IJr/CJjI7Fv1d0bwELjBuCNvqjksYDnHjU49tlV/TcEMAoi2ceD/CBykYJwLeUKz5REH 7VbOIXFZ+6oBz0P0lcMS1JBPXPY8W3+STDduK4XIDHkNvGgysc76Mmu51ARP28Ne5vLY 55dpjV9dm3Y6pTzKR542ioQLk+3wjohGLr7kt6GQilUOBxrSxbut6ywLG/zFqpkXa2TX cFJsRwZv/wwzgRV4P3co57lI3Fu4tkFQcNBd3ddro6Hms8NjVVfjD0ki0MTobs59ZMcb TUWg== X-Received: by 10.50.82.8 with SMTP id e8mr353449igy.7.1433881897077; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.93.6 with SMTP id cq6ls337926igb.26.gmail; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.67.7.232 with SMTP id df8mr32296401pad.34.1433881896699; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x242.google.com (mail-yk0-x242.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4002:c07::242]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y17si177856ywa.7.2015.06.09.13.31.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::242 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c07::242; Received: by mail-yk0-x242.google.com with SMTP id 19so302142ykq.0 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.13.227.134 with SMTP id m128mr24860103ywe.131.1433881896545; Tue, 09 Jun 2015 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.81.210 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jun 2015 13:31:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6e9a189d-02de-45be-8427-55c6ecbe2cb2@googlegroups.com> References: <6e9a189d-02de-45be-8427-55c6ecbe2cb2@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 16:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "General you"? To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c073bd417f34205181ba5c0 X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::242 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- --94eb2c073bd417f34205181ba5c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 When I pointed out the indefinite 'you' in a Klingon example (bIje'be'chugh vaj bIHegh - If you don't buy, then you die; buy or die!), the rest of the Klingon list membership considered it just fine, as if it were just an example of regular 'you'. Maybe it is. stevo On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) < spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote: > I have recently become aware of my use of {do} for the "general you" and I > don't think that's good; it's a common source of confusion in English. {doi > ma}? Perhaps {lo'e prenu} (lo su'a prenu?) is better, but I wonder if > something in KOhA7 might be useful? (maybe one of Curtis' infamous zmico > already means that; but I can't understand their descriptions) > > By the way in English, I think I'll try to use the word "one" instead of > the general-you; it's a lost art. I can't tell you* how many times I've > accidentally insulted people with the "general you". > > *can't tell one? 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When I pointed out the indefinite 'you' in= a Klingon example (bIje'be'chugh vaj bIHegh - If you don't buy, then yo= u die; buy or die!), the rest of the Klingon list membership conside= red it just fine, as if it were just an example of regular 'you'. M= aybe it is.=C2=A0

stevo

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:0= 1 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) <spheniscine@gmail.com> wr= ote:
I have recently bec= ome aware of my use of {do} for the "general you" and I don't= think that's good; it's a common source of confusion in English. {= doi ma}? Perhaps {lo'e prenu} (lo su'a prenu?) is better, but I won= der if something in KOhA7 might be useful? (maybe one of Curtis' infamo= us zmico already means that; but I can't understand their descriptions)=

By the way in English, I think I'll try to use the = word "one" instead of the general-you; it's a lost art. I can= 't tell you* how many times I've accidentally insulted people with = the "general you".

*can't tell one? = Well this also happens to apply to anyone who reads this...

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