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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:49:55 +0200
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Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W2xvamJhbl0gQ0xMIGVycmF0dW06IOKAnC55YnXigJ0gdnMg4oCcLnkuYnXigJ0=?=
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I think there is some inconsistency in the CLL regarding the letteral
for =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D, the letteral construction rules, and the cmavo =E2=
=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D.

According to CLL, the letteral for =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D is =E2=80=9C.ybu=E2=
=80=9D    =20

> Therefore, the following table represents the basic Lojban alphabet:
>=20
>     '      a      b      c      d      e
>     .y'y.  .abu   by.    cy.   dy.    .ebu
>=20
>     f      g      i      j      k      l
>     fy.    gy.    .ibu   jy.    ky.    ly.
>=20
>     m      n      o      p      r      s
>     my.    ny.    .obu   py.    ry.    sy.
>=20
>     t      u      v      x      y      z
>     ty.    .ubu   vy.    xy.    .ybu   zy.
https://lojban.github.io/cll/17/2/

This is also reflected in jbovlaste. Here is the entry for =E2=80=9Cybu=E2=
=80=9D:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/ybu

This is an =E2=80=9Cofficialdata=E2=80=9D entry.


However, there is just one problem: The cmavo =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D requires =
pauses
before and after it:
> In addition, there is the cmavo =E2=80=9C.y.=E2=80=9D (remember that =E2=
=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D is not a V),
> which must have pauses before and after it.=20
https://lojban.github.io/cll/4/2/

So, why is it =E2=80=9C.ybu=E2=80=9D and not =E2=80=9C.y.bu=E2=80=9D?

Note the CLL also presents =E2=80=9C.y'y.bu=E2=80=9D, not =E2=80=9C.y'ybu=
=E2=80=9D, a few pages later.
(and =E2=80=9Cvy.bu=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cky.bu=E2=80=9D).=20

I have found no rule in the CLL which would permit =E2=80=9C.ybu=E2=80=9D. =
AFAIK
the =E2=80=9Cperiod omitting rule=E2=80=9D only applies if spaces are used.=
 So =E2=80=9Cy bu=E2=80=9D
would be fine IMO.

For me this seems to be a pretty stupid oversight.

Could the responsible person or persons please quickly confirm this
erratum? And resolve this conflict in the CLL?

Greetings!

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