Received: from mail-pd0-f189.google.com ([209.85.192.189]:33159) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhYq-0002ST-4m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:42:08 -0700 Received: by pdea5 with SMTP id a5sf7658923pde.0 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=vguwAHoAsn4OZQdq7xQmet7qGMNfx7wH1y4+abVbZvo=; b=VoTi4LwLaWXz6IRO2PSYchpV5hPTTWB2Asbqsn0NbA4YahB0FhmdWX37eRFpq5Ie0L 8WcWiXS1xLBxBV2hgMqmDClqhy2Pn8U4V20l83puXWSH3vZ1uX4v5CPNvT57pOj6hlJ+ qFGvHWb/SE+mIGeTExXvccgB2WnuyBunKMyuekiz/aPFrtDsQTsMpJqyw17amGLQBBqT SMtijjbTpCGj0APp1RnGyZ7AVp18mPbj3b8clVfbArjpQaCTbsi1S3Coa80UFECf42i5 3fInako74Yj9X+Ny2XFgOyPgo6aDYLhyttp9kbaqBmGDSDCydBk/OycbRwDiodFeN0NY ufqg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=vguwAHoAsn4OZQdq7xQmet7qGMNfx7wH1y4+abVbZvo=; b=06En6VaDusDX3LV+JbenaY31QvaEawiImmU0MR2I7y1kdN7lA0PkdquMZaY2KJGfnc yODx27+kFqGPo5mBq11T2ZQpqwqDbw6oA4tq44KKiDLtqPNFyVMj+jwhzXvP4l4SxAzb lSwfdX/wMYLU+v8bUp2NhCEp0S7ioRTxDNOzR3UScvtwsRK7ECF7QLilg+9lRkJPnEj8 TkOz9zdOdwHd9t9BzJEfKxptHTOTvqvi7W2ZGxJbf0JuKuY89HEi+kikKk8dUIUOrE/j ivmpTYujOVvj1VOiGZrOT+4IsUcLKUcoBTwDX7ojdNbZK5KNe2UAIGoqdRHNjS9rC92g 9Ohg== X-Received: by 10.182.209.6 with SMTP id mi6mr221931obc.27.1435855317520; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.158.72 with SMTP id ws8ls555479obb.31.gmail; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.209.6 with SMTP id mi6mr221930obc.27.1435855317121; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: la sel To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <01e675dd-2791-4fce-bc96-705780905828@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <55948A2E.70705@lojban.org> References: <55948A2E.70705@lojban.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Extended logical connectives: "PA out of these are true" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1868_852511020.1435855316536" X-Original-Sender: Sel.Trimble@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_bar: --- ------=_Part_1868_852511020.1435855316536 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1869_141820356.1435855316536" ------=_Part_1869_141820356.1435855316536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for the info. It might be nice to put this in the CLL somewhere, as I seem to recall while reading it wondering how to deal with these cases. On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 7:47:43 PM UTC-5, lojbab wrote: > On 6/29/2015 12:30 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote: > > It's been often noted that {broda jonai brode jonai brodi} doesn't quite > > work as it is often expected to; connecting more than two items with > > exclusive-or actually means "an odd number of these things are true", > > which is a rather awkward concept. > > > > More generally though, what we really want to say here is "one out of > > these are true". > > This was already designed into the language, long ago. If you have a > set of members, you enclose them, linked by ce (or possibly ce'o) in > lu'i [lu'u] brackets and precede them with a quantifier, or you can > choose one of the other forms of set description > > lojbab > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1869_141820356.1435855316536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the info.  It might be nice to put th= is in the CLL somewhere, as I seem to recall while reading it wondering how= to deal with these cases.

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 7:47= :43 PM UTC-5, lojbab wrote:
On 6/29/2015 = 12:30 AM, Spheniscine (la zipcpi) wrote:
> It's been often noted that {broda jonai brode jonai brodi} doesn't= quite
> work as it is often expected to; connecting more than two items wi= th
> exclusive-or actually means "an odd number of these things are tru= e",
> which is a rather awkward concept.
>
> More generally though, what we really want to say here is "one out= of
> these are true".

This was already designed into the language, long ago.  If you hav= e a=20
set of members, you enclose them, linked by ce (or possibly ce'o) in=20
lu'i [lu'u] brackets and precede them with a quantifier, or you can=20
choose one of the other forms of set description

lojbab


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