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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7si828047igr.0.2015.07.02.13.24.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=L+4kHYj8 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=ANSa77Uay4QA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=0wFTBiU6XNox2Xrx7P4A:9 a=2xP1gkpOJVK1-pYa:21 a=hhIlPAQNCC8eg3gh:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:42005] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id EA/9F-26404-71E95955; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:24:55 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981225D5B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:24:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] xundei was: jbonunsla - location Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3429613.VV1ZiOaI8G@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <55958EC6.9070809@lojban.org> References: <5096706.OK0AdRCTgh@caracal> <559576DF.3050000@lojban.org> <55958EC6.9070809@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- On Thursday, July 02, 2015 15:19:34 Bob LeChevalier wrote: > On 7/2/2015 2:53 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > Bob, it's true that ISO-8601 set the standard as Monday as first > > > > day, but that's not culturally neutral. > > It is still the *international standard*. Creating anything else might > be more "neutral", but it won't be consistent with the international > standard. And we decided long ago that international standards trump > cultural neutrality. Which is also why we ruled out playing games with > time-of-day which has at least as many problems as weeks. > > The metric system isn't culturally neutral either (obviously biased > against Americans %^( ). But we still decided to put all the metric > units and prefixes in the gismu list. All the base units (except the kilogram, because it has a prefix), but many derived units are not in the gismu list. Languages differ as to which day of the week is called by which number. As far as I know, they don't differ as to which day of the week is named for the sun or the moon. What the rest are called in languages that call a day for the moon does differ, but there is some historical connection between Woden, Mercury, and water. And there's no obvious reason to put the sun first in the circular order (sun, moon, fire, water, wood, metal, earth). More later, maybe, and an update on jbonunsla. I have to go out and look for property corners. Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.