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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12si1421408ign.3.2015.07.06.21.14.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=L+4kHYj8 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=ANSa77Uay4QA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=1evNd1l2kh20IW9GMNIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:43318] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 30/50-26404-5125B955; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:14:13 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AFB6181 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:14:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] When {fe'u} is needed Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:13:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1952338.4vizKvt3P5@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-53-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Any preposition (proper preposition or tense marker) can be used as a=20 conjunction for bridi by putting it in {i ... bo}: la'e di'u ckini lo jdima be lo jungo tcati ma .isecaubo mi klama le zarci This includes phrasal prepositions made with {fi'o}: la'e di'u ckini lo jdima be lo jungo tcati ma .i fi'o ckule bo mi klama le= =20 zarci The preceding sentence parses in camxes, but not jbofi'e, which does not li= ke=20 {i ... bo} with {fi'o BRIVLA} inside it. If you take {mi} out, you get a=20 problem: la'e di'u ckini lo jdima be lo jungo tcati ma .i fi'o ckule bo klama le zar= ci Here {ckule bo klama} is the selbri converted to a preposition, and {le zar= ci}=20 is the preposition's object. To fix the grammar, insert {fe'u}: la'e di'u ckini lo jdima be lo jungo tcati ma .i fi'o ckule fe'u bo klama l= e=20 zarci mu'omi'e .piier. --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.