Received: from mail-oi0-f63.google.com ([209.85.218.63]:34590) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZD7oT-0003MK-LE for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:08:18 -0700 Received: by oihc6 with SMTP id c6sf53073162oih.1 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:08:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=HsuK8JOu0GsmcHwoUQNQ8v5RMoK4FzcUuFQhj/kxVXA=; b=wVbowq57rWjjBOaaY8D60WTP6KcUTrZ8wXLBE7iHUyQD76zmHF1Z2QkhVoYCejhRU0 spqBeqskeRe84o0l/miRtDucXBtuD1URFVBq0qKoe+bI/F4J7/iU0T4xbxUJwTPFWmvd zVgIUxOfcSxsGMxocFleC+375IMxpLOU2VMpVsRMKSIx01AuNu+gGLbb/BHA4QkCd49V qT8MRpX5khZIyaCvLxtSb1rAVpJAUd86b31NQguiqO879sGIbQSjoCFIRaHQMIaIp0yd /kaVjjujKvg3VCFPUJPaoZEYw+YfDmhU1/BkG3SXqymKfvZayM0KwHqegZhRtaUsbi97 5UlQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=HsuK8JOu0GsmcHwoUQNQ8v5RMoK4FzcUuFQhj/kxVXA=; b=iQpcAKidA44d1+9tcUL1Hi29BAYJFI13OrJZeVr4KoPbpeba+63EQbsoUFzW+hblJQ YwjNYaPfHOw4q7ykZWEjfQS6Ziyjp2qeY5rQnbVheMBce8eHtwU8tkx7VfsBNl91CLMc NnImPcdVHJ2DqN8eD87jKtGsJ+2ZpieaFVAzJTHL4pm1Rv9ExGCHmSYf+zLZH+g599Az p3NYeqnOPC+aVllvjC//TWZjqV44SBeYWOJ+qCiyGcxOEgLvPOoyu24DZ64wI4YV0P3T WcZVvRWByNGhTHATiKduyKfGvbcQN3igkoi0Eq7fc0UrHHxzCSqBq4Ck9CkTcmiNu8r+ T2MA== X-Received: by 10.140.31.130 with SMTP id f2mr216677qgf.22.1436432887575; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.44.68 with SMTP id f62ls144254qga.59.gmail; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.81.149 with SMTP id f21mr212788qgd.8.1436432886991; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 02:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 02:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <2f57882b-610d-4c53-a54d-58ba0d653f38@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] ASCII letters and keyboard names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_562_469208341.1436432886302" X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.1 X-Spam_score_int: -30 X-Spam_bar: --- ------=_Part_562_469208341.1436432886302 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_563_789017421.1436432886302" ------=_Part_563_789017421.1436432886302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Any other complaints in the current system of ASCII names? Wuzzy suggested {canlu bu} for "space" which is now included into the system. "/" is now {fe'i bu}. http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_names I'd like these names to be made official. On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 10:12:11 PM UTC+3, la gleki wrote: > > oh and more note. given that space is almost always sufficient to separate > words from each other maybe {valsi bu} for space will fit better? Even for > {coi zei coi} we understand that both {coi} and {zei} are words. > because indeed {kunti bu} looks extremely hackish. not a very kunti symbol. > > 2015-05-07 22:08 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > >> >> >> 2015-05-07 20:56 GMT+03:00 Michael Turniansky : >> >>> I must admit I was surprised when I saw ASCII 32 being called "kunti >>> bu" rather than "sepli bu" I thought we agreed on that back in 2000 ( see >>> http://mail.lojban.org/lojban-list/msg14141.html for example), although >>> the former seems to have been in use since around 2010 or so, so I guess >>> that's the more "stylish" name for you ki'orna'apre. (Although I probably >>> would have used "kunti bu" for ASCII 0. Null seems more empty to me than >>> space does). >>> >> >> {sepli bu} alone for "space" may be fine but when you compare it to "tab" >> then "tab" may seem more mapti to "fixed space, i.e. separator, because in >> many cases tab is used to e.g. separate columns of table. >> {sotkunti bu} seems strange since "few" is not a precise number whereas >> "tab" takes fixed space. >> >> >>> Also wondering if there was any reason why you left the upper case >>> letters blank rather than "ga'e a bu [to'a]" etc.... >>> >> >> laziness. feel free to fill. >> >> >>> On a completely sepli OT note, don't confuse sepli.bu with se.plibu >>> (lo stuzi be me'o denpa bu cu vajni ) >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Since previously keyboard names and ASCII codes were somewhat mixed >>>> together I put everything into one table: >>>> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_names >>>> Previous discussions went to: >>>> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/Talk:ASCII_table_keys_names >>>> >>>> Of course, feel free further improve the tables. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Any other complaints in the current system of ASCII names?=
Wuzzy suggested {canlu bu} for "space" which is now included= into the system.

"/" is now {fe'i b= u}.

http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_na= mes

I'd like these names to be made official.<= /div>


On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 10:12:11 PM UTC+3, la gleki w= rote:
oh and m= ore note. given that space is almost always sufficient to separate words fr= om each other maybe {valsi bu} for space will fit better? Even for {coi zei= coi} we understand that both {coi} and {zei} are words.
because indeed= {kunti bu} looks extremely hackish. not a very kunti symbol.

2015-05-07 22:08 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= >:

2015-05-07 20:56 GMT+03:00 Michael Turni= ansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>:
=C2=A0 I must admit I was = surprised when I saw ASCII 32 being called "kunti bu" rather than= "sepli bu" =C2=A0 I thought we agreed on that back in 2000 ( see= =C2=A0http://mail.lojba= n.org/lojban-list/msg14141.html for example), although the former seems= to have been in use since around 2010 or so, so I guess that's the mor= e "stylish" name for you ki'orna'apre. (Although I probab= ly would have used "kunti bu" for ASCII 0.=C2=A0 Null seems more = empty to me than space does).

= {sepli bu} alone for "space" may be fine but when you compare it = to "tab" then "tab" may seem more mapti to "fixed = space, i.e. separator, because in many cases tab is used to e.g. separate c= olumns of table.
{sotkunti bu} seems strange since "few"= ; is not a precise number whereas "tab" takes fixed space.
<= span>

=C2=A0 Also wondering if there was any reason why you left the= upper case letters blank rather than "ga'e a bu [to'a]" = etc....

laziness. feel f= ree to fill.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On a completely sepli OT note= , don't confuse sepli.bu with se.plibu (lo stuzi be me'o denpa bu c= u vajni )

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0--gejyspa

On We= d, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Since previously= keyboard names and ASCII codes were somewhat mixed together I put everythi= ng into one table:

Of course, feel free further improve the= tables.

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