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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cj6si296051wib.1.2015.07.09.03.44.13 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::233; Received: by mail-wi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id lp1so105750315wic.0 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.172.130 with SMTP id bc2mr31314327wjc.85.1436438653028; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 03:44:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:43:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5366994.3OVpFVRdxZ@caracal> References: <2f57882b-610d-4c53-a54d-58ba0d653f38@googlegroups.com> <5366994.3OVpFVRdxZ@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:43:33 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ASCII letters and keyboard names To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c6342a7de0f051a6eef90 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013c6342a7de0f051a6eef90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2015-07-09 13:10 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Thursday, July 09, 2015 02:08:06 la gleki wrote: > > Any other complaints in the current system of ASCII names? > > Wuzzy suggested {canlu bu} for "space" which is now included into the > > system. > > > > "/" is now {fe'i bu}. > > > > http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_names > > > > I'd like these names to be made official. > > "," is ce'o bu. What happened to slaka bu? > I remember changing to {ce'o bu} so that this part of ASCII table got at least some structure. Otherwise ()*+,-./ loses its reference to mathematics. Of course, this poses a question should full stop be {denpa bu}. Maybe {mu'o bu}. Definitely we can use letteralize {.i} (sentence separator). Also full stop/comma are used as decimal separator and for groups of digits like in "1,002.56" although this is not culturally neutral and can cause confusion. Is there an ISO-standard for that? other than that {ki'o bu} and {pi bu} could be used making () +-*/ ., sets somewhat organized. > > If "$" is rupnu bu, what is "=C2=A4"? > runpusudu bu then? But the symbol "$" is used for different currencies. > I used to call ":" {pi'e bu}, but if there is no pi'e bu, that's fine. > it's used in different places, both for pi'e and zo'u. i dont know what to prefer. Besides it has other uses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_(punctuation) Maybe just {kolon bu} although then it's not not what to name semicolon. Something that is worth {pi'e} in some cases like in DNS lookups can be expressed using full stop. > Pierre > -- > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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2015-07-09 13:10 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Thursday, July 09, 2015 02:0= 8:06 la gleki wrote:
> Any other complaints in the current system of ASCII names?
> Wuzzy suggested {canlu bu} for "space" which is now included= into the
> system.
>
> "/" is now {fe'i bu}.
>
> http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ASCII_table_keys_na= mes
>
> I'd like these names to be made official.

"," is ce'o bu. What happened to slaka bu?

I remember changing to {ce'o bu} so that this = part of ASCII table got at least some structure. Otherwise ()*+,-./ loses i= ts reference to mathematics. Of course, this poses a question should full s= top be {denpa bu}. Maybe {mu'o bu}. Definitely we can use letteralize {= .i} (sentence separator).
Also full stop/comma are used as de= cimal separator and for groups of digits like in "1,002.56" altho= ugh this is not culturally neutral and can cause confusion. Is there an ISO= -standard for that? other than that {ki'o bu} and {pi bu} could be used= making
()
+-*/
.,
sets somewhat or= ganized.


=C2=A0

If "$" is rupnu bu, what is "=C2=A4"?
<= div>=C2=A0
runpusudu bu then? But the symbol "$" =C2=A0= is used for different currencies.


I used to call ":" {pi'e bu}, but if there is no pi'e bu,= that's fine.

it's used =C2=A0i= n different places, both for pi'e and zo'u. i dont know what to pre= fer.
Besides it has other uses.
Maybe just {kolon bu} although then it'= s not not what to name semicolon.

Something that i= s worth {pi'e} in some cases like in DNS lookups can be expressed using= full stop.


Pierre
--
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li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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