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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c3si169519wiz.2.2015.07.09.07.43.22 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::236; Received: by mail-wi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id mv11so2836955wic.1 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.238.193 with SMTP id vm1mr30481713wjc.57.1436453002114; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:43:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.227.132 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150709152033.506251ed@W5.fritz.box> References: <2f57882b-610d-4c53-a54d-58ba0d653f38@googlegroups.com> <5366994.3OVpFVRdxZ@caracal> <20150709152033.506251ed@W5.fritz.box> From: Michael Turniansky Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:42:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ASCII letters and keyboard names To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493ceced8541051a7246c2 X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e01493ceced8541051a7246c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:20 AM, 'Wuzzy' via lojban wrote: > > > > "," is ce'o bu. What happened to slaka bu? > > > > > > > I remember changing to {ce'o bu} so that this part of ASCII table got > > at least some structure. Otherwise ()*+,-./ loses its reference to > > mathematics. Of course, this poses a question should full stop be > > {denpa bu}. Maybe {mu'o bu}. Definitely we can use letteralize {.i} > > (sentence separator). > > Also full stop/comma are used as decimal separator and for groups of > > digits like in "1,002.56" although this is not culturally neutral and > > can cause confusion. Is there an ISO-standard for that? other than > > that {ki'o bu} and {pi bu} could be used making > > () > > +-*/ > > ., > > sets somewhat organized. > > Please don't hijack standard bu-letterals. :-( > I've already had to fix the letterals for ', w, q and h earlier because > they had non-standard translations. > > =E2=80=9Cslaka bu=E2=80=9D is very standard; we should not invent new bu-= letterals if > out of thin air if there already is a standard one, it just > increases confusion otherwise. 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On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:20 AM, 'Wuzzy' via lojban <= lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> > "," is ce'o bu. What happened to slaka bu?
> >
>
> I remember changing to {ce'o bu} so that this part of ASCII table = got
> at least some structure. Otherwise ()*+,-./ loses its reference to
> mathematics. Of course, this poses a question should full stop be
> {denpa bu}. Maybe {mu'o bu}. Definitely we can use letteralize {.i= }
> (sentence separator).
> Also full stop/comma are used as decimal separator and for groups of > digits like in "1,002.56" although this is not culturally ne= utral and
> can cause confusion. Is there an ISO-standard for that? other than
> that {ki'o bu} and {pi bu} could be used making
> ()
> +-*/
> .,
> sets somewhat organized.

Please don't hijack standard bu-letterals. :-(
I've already had to fix the letterals for ', w, q and h earlier bec= ause
they had non-standard translations.

=E2=80=9Cslaka bu=E2=80=9D is very standard; we should not invent new bu-le= tterals if
out of thin air if there already is a standard one, it just
increases confusion otherwise. Having a 100% parallel set is of low
priority.

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