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[65.55.169.60]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t14si303563ywe.3.2015.07.12.17.59.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 65.55.169.60 as permitted sender) client-ip=65.55.169.60; Received: from BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.90.16) by BL2PR01MB372.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.90.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.213.14; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:59:04 +0000 Received: from BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.90.16]) by BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.90.16]) with mapi id 15.01.0213.000; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:59:04 +0000 From: Timothy Lawrence To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki) Thread-Topic: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki) Thread-Index: AQHQvQZSSEbk0uSJuUGCpQpGMMWuuJ3Yk4tm Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 00:59:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <82e3500a-a054-43bd-bf9e-9c0e3162d39b@googlegroups.com> <5f4f518e-7a8c-4a6e-a3c5-2f005d01bce7@googlegroups.com> <1ce03519-5bb5-4dda-8ff0-c1b01986b711@googlegroups.com> <3ffe1e41-4403-484b-b48d-7db5fea74a01@googlegroups.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-AU, en-US Content-Language: en-AU X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [203.206.161.117] x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;BL2PR01MB372;5:wH+9n6QXX/Q91OX/EJiDFTIijS8caGmBsgvB5EVeFqNZES23GRMgaAkTJ820u9R2fe4m5BvTk3mLjE7rnnUwUNqswTWLKIj9Gp2IqIhyfDyiy5vZz7nouqbXZaL3NJXiwaUU+16FsUhc7VcVM2uXkA==;24:9mQsxaRqtJMbIPTOIOK4OotkWCCQ58oCcmD2R7EpEoGi+vYMwyiRe7G+K88hcdF3UbpJtFHY/YfVrMf0sHiKO2ogs9FwI6h0pIaKEHaZu1k=;20:pSOoTopVPY18PX0hT5yuwByle+mhFBUYV/VH71JpxBaWiG526tPUyv6b7zgl3m2YK7olFDnMX29xgysLlYJKYw== x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(42134001)(42139001)(42142116001);SRVR:BL2PR01MB372; bl2pr01mb372: X-MS-Exchange-Organization-RulesExecuted x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(5005006)(3002001);SRVR:BL2PR01MB372;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BL2PR01MB372; x-forefront-prvs: 0636271852 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10009020)(377454003)(24454002)(16297215004)(2656002)(93886004)(87936001)(50986999)(46102003)(74482002)(76176999)(88552001)(106116001)(19273905006)(2351001)(19627405001)(66066001)(16799955002)(5002640100001)(86362001)(189998001)(19625215002)(19617315012)(92566002)(15188155005)(33656002)(54356999)(16236675004)(77156002)(15975445007)(16601075003)(102836002)(62966003)(450100001)(77096005)(14971765001)(5001960100002)(110136002)(107886002)(5003600100002)(74316001)(2900100001)(19580395003)(2950100001)(122556002)(19580405001)(40100003)(19623215001);DIR:OUT;SFP:1101;SCL:1;SRVR:BL2PR01MB372;H:BL2PR01MB370.prod.exchangelabs.com;FPR:;SPF:None;MLV:sfv;LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BL2PR01MB370D1961F7A1D9E64151538EB9C0BL2PR01MB370prodex_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: connect.qut.edu.au X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 13 Jul 2015 00:59:04.1449 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: dc0b52a3-68c5-44f7-881d-9383d8850b96 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL2PR01MB372 X-Original-Sender: timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au designates 65.55.169.60 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- --_000_BL2PR01MB370D1961F7A1D9E64151538EB9C0BL2PR01MB370prodex_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It could, based on context, mean: * He has left (he is gone). * He is left (he remains) * He is left (he is standing to the left) * He is left (he is left-wing politcally) ________________________________ From: lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of Morphe= meAddict Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015 10:53 AM To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki) On http://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban it says: * Lojban is unambiguous in syntax. Natural languages often have ambiguo= us sentences - does "He's left" mean that he's still here or that he's gone= ? Lojban systematically eliminates this. ?"He's left" is unambiguous. It means he is no longer there. ?Therefore thi= s is a really bad example, since it doesn't illustrate the point. Nothing comes to mind that might have been meant instead. ?stevo? On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM, la gleki > wrote: As of June 6 2014. *main page optimizations to save space. The design in now lighter. Edit, hi= story, viewsource, read tabs and "move/delete page" tabs are not shown for = non-logged in users. The language interface is detected from GeoIP and your= browser language preferences. Just visit http://mw.lojban.org to see it yo= urself *a new template jvs. Use {{jvs|broda}} to quickly link to words in jbovlast= e *SimpleTable v. 2.0 extension installed. This allows to paste table directl= y from Excel or similar apps in tsv format (wrap the result with ... = ) *now it is possible to save article to Word or OpenOffice formats in the le= ft sidebar *paragraphs are now justified on all pages *a nice trick for getting names of messages to localize to Lojban: http://m= w.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DL17-01&uselang=3Dqqx *OpenSearchXml extension installed. Now you'll see suggestions while typing= in the search box. On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:45:53 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: As of March 14 2014. * I've created a new main page. The main thing is that it allows the vi= sitor to click on the flag of their native language and * not only the interface of the wiki will be changed to that languag= e * but the user will be redirected to the welcome page in that langua= ge * and the left sidebar with useful links will be changed accordingly * http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Dralju_papri * Quiz extension for creating exercises installed * Wikiforum. To prevent spammers now only administrators can create new= threads. However, even unregistered users can post to the forum. Thus we h= ave a guestboard. * Collection extension installed allowing export of pages in nicely for= matted pdf files. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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It could, based on context, mean:

  • He has left (he is gone).
  • He is left (he remains)
  • He is left (he is standing to the left)
  • He is left (he is le= ft-wing politcally)

From: lojban@googlegroups.c= om <lojban@googlegroups.com> on behalf of MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@= gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015 10:53 AM
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki)
 
= On http://mw.lojban.org/= papri/Lojban it says: 
  • Lojban is unambiguous in syntax. Natural = languages often have ambiguous sentences — does "He's left"= mean that he's still here or that he's gone? Lojban systematically elimina= tes this.

= ​"He's left" is unambiguous. It means he is no longer there= . ​Therefore this is a really bad example, since it doesn't illustrat= e the point. 
= Nothing comes to mind that might have been meant instead. 
=
= ​stevo​


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM, la gleki <gleki.i= s.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
As of June 6 2014.

*main page optimizations to save space. The design in now lighter. Edit, hi= story, viewsource, read tabs and "move/delete page" tabs are not = shown for non-logged in users. The language interface is detected from GeoI= P and your browser language preferences. Just visit http://mw.lojban.= org to see it yourself
*a new template jvs. Use {{jvs|broda}} to quickly link to words in jbo= vlaste
*SimpleTable v. 2.0 extension installed. This allows to paste table di= rectly from Excel or similar apps in tsv format (wrap the result with <t= ab> ... </tab>)
*now it is possible to save article to Word or OpenOffice formats in t= he left sidebar
*paragraphs are now justified on all pages
*a nice trick for getting names of messages to localize to Lojban: http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DL17-01&uselang=3Dqqx
*OpenSearchXml extension installed. Now you'll see suggestions while t= yping in the search box.



On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:45:53 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
As of March 14 2014.
  • I've created a new main page. The main thing is that it allows the visi= tor to click on the flag of their native language and 
    • not only the interface of the wiki will be changed to that language
    • but the user will be redirected to the welcome page in that language<= /li>
    • and the left sidebar with useful links will be changed accordingly<= /li>
    • http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Dralju_papri
  • Quiz extension for creating exercises installed 
  • Wikiforum. To prevent spammers now only administrators can create new= threads. However, even unregistered users can post to the forum. Thus= we have a guestboard.
  • Collection extension installed allowing export of pages in nicely = formatted pdf files.

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