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[2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t14si306412ywe.3.2015.07.12.18.07.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b; Received: by mail-yk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id x123so55703176yka.1 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:07:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.13.202.204 with SMTP id m195mr35104254ywd.48.1436749664723; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:07:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.49.13 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 18:07:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <82e3500a-a054-43bd-bf9e-9c0e3162d39b@googlegroups.com> <5f4f518e-7a8c-4a6e-a3c5-2f005d01bce7@googlegroups.com> <1ce03519-5bb5-4dda-8ff0-c1b01986b711@googlegroups.com> <3ffe1e41-4403-484b-b48d-7db5fea74a01@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki) To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0552e465a92a051ab75928 X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- --94eb2c0552e465a92a051ab75928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, Timothy. Given the context, only two options are available: 1) he's still here, or 2) that he's gone. I interpreted it to mean "He has left", which is unambiguous, but it could have meant "He is left", i.e., he remains (is still here). My point remains. It's a bad example, albeit for slightly different reasons than I originally thought. stevo On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Timothy Lawrence < timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote: > It could, based on context, mean: > > > - He has left (he is gone). > - He is left (he remains) > - He is left (he is standing to the left) > - He is left (he is left-wing politcally) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* lojban@googlegroups.com on behalf of > MorphemeAddict > *Sent:* Monday, 13 July 2015 10:53 AM > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki) > > On http://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban it says: > > - Lojban is unambiguous in syntax. Natural languages often have > ambiguous sentences =E2=80=94 does "He's left" mean that he's still he= re or that > he's gone? Lojban systematically eliminates this. > > > =E2=80=8B"He's left" is unambiguous. It means he is no longer there. =E2= =80=8BTherefore > this is a really bad example, since it doesn't illustrate the point. > Nothing comes to mind that might have been meant instead. > > =E2=80=8Bstevo=E2=80=8B > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM, la gleki > wrote: > >> As of June 6 2014. >> >> *main page optimizations to save space. The design in now lighter. Edit, >> history, viewsource, read tabs and "move/delete page" tabs are not shown >> for non-logged in users. The language interface is detected from GeoIP a= nd >> your browser language preferences. Just visit http://mw.lojban.org to >> see it yourself >> *a new template jvs. Use {{jvs|broda}} to quickly link to words in >> jbovlaste >> *SimpleTable v. 2.0 extension installed. This allows to paste table >> directly from Excel or similar apps in tsv format (wrap the result with >> ... ) >> *now it is possible to save article to Word or OpenOffice formats in the >> left sidebar >> *paragraphs are now justified on all pages >> *a nice trick for getting names of messages to localize to Lojban: >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DL17-01&uselang=3Dqqx >> *OpenSearchXml extension installed. Now you'll see suggestions while >> typing in the search box. >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:45:53 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> As of March 14 2014. >>> >>> - I've created a new main page. The main thing is that it allows the >>> visitor to click on the flag of their native language and >>> - not only the interface of the wiki will be changed to that >>> language >>> - but the user will be redirected to the welcome page in that >>> language >>> - and the left sidebar with useful links will be changed >>> accordingly >>> - http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Dralju_papri >>> - Quiz extension for creating exercises installed >>> - Wikiforum. To prevent spammers now only administrators can create >>> new threads. However, even unregistered users can post to the forum.= Thus >>> we have a guestboard. >>> - Collection extension installed allowing export of pages in nicely >>> formatted pdf files. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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No, Timothy. Given the context, only two options a= re available: 1)=C2=A0he'= s still here, or 2) that he's gone.=C2=A0
I interpr= eted it to mean "He has left", which is unambiguous, but it could= have meant "He is left", i.e., he remains (is still here).=C2=A0=
My point remains. It's a bad example, albeit for slightly different= reasons than I originally thought.=C2=A0

st= evo

On Sun, = Jul 12, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawre= nce@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:

It could, based on context, mean:

  • He has left (he is gone).
  • He is left (he remains)
    • =
  • He is left (he is standing=C2=A0<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt">to the left)
  • He is left (he is left-wing po= litcally)

From: lojban@googlegroups.com <lojban@googlegroups.com> on beh= alf of MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015 10:53 AM
To: loj= ban@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki)
=C2=A0
On=C2=A0http://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban it says:=C2=A0
  • Lojban is unambiguous in syntax. Natural = languages often have ambiguous sentences =E2=80=94 does "He's left= " mean that he's still here or that he's gone? Lojban systemat= ically eliminates this.

=E2=80=8B"He's left" is unambiguous. It means he is n= o longer there. =E2=80=8BTherefore this is a really bad example, since it d= oesn't illustrate the point.=C2=A0
Nothing comes to mind that might have been meant instead.=C2=A0

=E2=80=8Bstevo=E2=80=8B


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM, la gleki <gleki.i= s.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
As of June 6 2014.

*main page optimizations to save space. The design in now lighter. Edit, hi= story, viewsource, read tabs and "move/delete page" tabs are not = shown for non-logged in users. The language interface is detected from GeoI= P and your browser language preferences. Just visit http://mw.lojban.= org to see it yourself
*a new template jvs. Use {{jvs|broda}} to quickly link to words in jbo= vlaste
*SimpleTable v. 2.0 extension installed. This allows to paste table di= rectly from Excel or similar apps in tsv format (wrap the result with <t= ab> ... </tab>)
*now it is possible to save article to Word or OpenOffice formats in t= he left sidebar
*paragraphs are now justified on all pages
*a nice trick for getting names of messages to localize to Lojban: http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DL17-01&uselang=3Dqqx
*OpenSearchXml extension installed. Now you'll see suggestions whi= le typing in the search box.



On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:45:53 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
As of March 14 2014.
  • I've created a new main page. The main thing is that it allows the = visitor to click on the flag of their native language and=C2=A0
    • not only the interface of the wiki will be changed to that language
    • but the user will be redirected to the welcome page in that language<= /li>
    • and the left sidebar with useful links will be changed accordingly<= /li>
    • http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Dralju_papri
  • Quiz extension=C2=A0for creating exercises=C2=A0installed=C2=A0
  • Wikiforum. To prevent spammers now only administrators can create new= threads. However, even=C2=A0unregistered users can post to the forum. Thus= we have a guestboard.
  • Collection extension installed allowing export of pages in nicely = formatted pdf files.

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