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[2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b7si1642igv.3.2015.07.15.15.21.08 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of durka42@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236; Received: by mail-ie0-x236.google.com with SMTP id j16so43915579iet.0 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.35.144 with SMTP id j138mr8740175ioj.105.1436998868887; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.40.148 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.40.148 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <196303dc-9717-45a5-a521-788aa2a153f8@googlegroups.com> <55A6A80B.1020801@mail.jerrington.me> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 18:21:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {tu'e...tu'u} in NU From: Alex Burka To: lojban@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11402a221f7044051af15f97 X-Original-Sender: durka42@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of durka42@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=durka42@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11402a221f7044051af15f97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True. Most magic words are local, though. Only ZOI and LOhU (and LU) can have a large extent. And magic is comparatively rare, whereas NU/NOI is extremely common and I fear a large amount of text would be broken by changing the semantics of .i after abstractions. On Jul 15, 2015 11:35 PM, "Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas" wrot= e: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Jacob Thomas Errington < > tsani@mail.jerrington.me> wrote: > >> On 07/15/2015 09:51 AM, la durka wrote: >> >> and it means it's no longer possible to quickly scan a text for {.i} to >> separate the sentences -- you need to parse the entire text to find the >> sentence boundaries. >> >> We can't really just scan the text for {.i} as it may be quoted, >> specifically by {lu...li'u}. >> > > Or it could be grabbed by a magic word: ".i bu" ".i zei da", etc. Because > of magic words, there's not much you can do with a Lojban text by just > scanning for words, you always need to parse first in order to know wheth= er > the words are fulfilling their usual functions or not. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/NRUIud_OCj8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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True. Most magic words are local, though. Only ZOI and LOhU = (and LU) can have a large extent. And magic is comparatively rare, whereas = NU/NOI is extremely common and I fear a large amount of text would be broke= n by changing the semantics of .i after abstractions.

On Jul 15, 2015 11:35 PM, "Jorge Llamb=C3= =ADas" <jjllambias@gmail.co= m> wrote:

On = Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Jacob Thomas Errington <= tsani@mail.je= rrington.me> wrote:
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On 07/15/2015 09:51 AM, la durka wrote:
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=C2=A0and it means it's no longer possible to quickly scan a text for {.i} to separate the sentences -- you need to parse the entire text to find the sentence boundaries.
We can't really just scan the text for {.i} as it may be quoted, specifically by {lu...li'u}.

Or it could be grabbed by a magic word: ".i bu" ".i zei da&= quot;, etc. Because of magic words, there's not much you can do with a = Lojban text by just scanning for words, you always need to parse first in o= rder to know whether the words are fulfilling their usual functions or not.= =C2=A0

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