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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ec7si70202wib.3.2015.07.16.03.30.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of durka42@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::235; Received: by mail-wi0-x235.google.com with SMTP id mv11so11870704wic.1 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.181.13.195 with SMTP id fa3mr5313257wid.7.1437042652668; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Alexs-MacBook-Air-2.local ([192.124.26.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h9sm12233279wjx.20.2015.07.16.03.30.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:31:03 +0200 From: Alex Burka To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <55A6DD7D.9010003@mail.jerrington.me> References: <196303dc-9717-45a5-a521-788aa2a153f8@googlegroups.com> <55A6A80B.1020801@mail.jerrington.me> <55A6DD7D.9010003@mail.jerrington.me> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {tu'e...tu'u} in NU X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (309) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="55a787e7_459770a1_64d6" X-Original-Sender: durka42@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of durka42@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=durka42@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- --55a787e7_459770a1_64d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Well, zantufa currently goes further than that. On July 16, 2015 at 12:24:00 AM, Jacob Thomas Errington (tsani@mail.jerrington.me) wrote: On 07/15/2015 06:21 PM, Alex Burka wrote: > > True. Most magic words are local, though. Only ZOI and LOhU (and LU) > can have a large extent. And magic is comparatively rare, whereas > NU/NOI is extremely common and I fear a large amount of text would be > broken by changing the semantics of .i after abstractions. > Changing the semantics of {.i} after abstractions would be disastrous, which is why you'd need to explicitly use {tu'e}. .i mi djica lo nu tu'e do klama lo mi zdani .ibabo mi'o samkei kansi'u tu'u Like this, {tu'e} is essentially acting as LU, but the result of which is not a sumti, but a bridi. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/NRUIud_OCj8/unsubscribe. 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Well, zantufa currently goes further than that.

On July 16, 2015 at = 12:24:00 AM, Jacob Thomas Errington (tsani@mail.jerrington.me) wrote:

On 07/15/2015 06:21 PM, Alex Bu= rka wrote:
>
> True. Most magic words are local, though. Only ZOI and LOhU (and L= U) =20
> can have a large extent. And magic is comparatively rare, whereas = =20
> NU/NOI is extremely common and I fear a large amount of text would= be =20
> broken by changing the semantics of .i after abstractions.
>
Changing the semantics of {.i} after abstractions would be disastrous, = =20
which is why you'd need to explicitly use {tu'e}.

.i mi djica lo nu tu'e do klama lo mi zdani .ibabo mi'o samkei kansi'u = tu'u

Like this, {tu'e} is essentially acting as LU, but the result of which = =20
is not a sumti, but a bridi.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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