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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q12si379314ign.3.2015.07.16.22.36.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=L+4kHYj8 c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=VVgVVhSuXUIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=YHmjLdWWSIC_r-VlKAgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:50760] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 20/23-26404-76498A55; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:36:40 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D2E58ED for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban pronuncation Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:36:36 -0400 Message-ID: <25667346.Oy46TayLnh@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-55-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <5f2134da-ae9f-4049-a888-2be1e455df39@googlegroups.com> References: <5f2134da-ae9f-4049-a888-2be1e455df39@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- On Thursday, July 16, 2015 17:58:08 Leo Beltran wrote: > For me, as a native speaker of Spanish, some words, specially fu=E2=80=99= ivla, are > really hard to pronounce. For example: *cidj,r,spageti*. Can you give me > some advice? How do you pronounce them? I often pronounce the syllabic 'r' as in English "badgers", but you can als= o=20 roll it. Try saying "Str=C4=8D prst skrz krk". (Don't actually str=C4=8Di= =C5=A5 prst skrz=20 krk. Just say it.) The 'r' is used as a syllable nucleus, and as far as I= =20 know, it's rolled. The other syllabic consonants are 'n', 'l', and 'm', of which 'm' is not us= ed=20 as an interfix. They should be easier to pronounce. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada, j=C3=A1 n=C3=A3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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