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[69.168.97.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x1si452208igb.2.2015.07.17.04.23.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jul 2015 04:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=69.168.97.48; X-Authed-Username: cGhtYUBodWdoZXMubmV0 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZujUdbLG c=1 sm=0 tr=0 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:117 a=8WxDmEN+yG9ijBF2nxzWZQ==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=VVgVVhSuXUIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=HbzC8HgTEXympW5GiX0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com: 45.37.90.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bezitopo.org) Received: from [45.37.90.97] ([45.37.90.97:55782] helo=bezitopo.org) by smtp.hughes.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-SHA) id 9F/9E-08210-8B5E8A55; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:23:36 -0400 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bezitopo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2DE92C for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban pronuncation Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:23:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2063571.qgTgjbDzjZ@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-55-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <7fecb81e-66ec-4414-aa76-afd5a02a72ea@googlegroups.com> References: <5f2134da-ae9f-4049-a888-2be1e455df39@googlegroups.com> <25667346.Oy46TayLnh@caracal> <7fecb81e-66ec-4414-aa76-afd5a02a72ea@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.168.97.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.0 X-Spam_score_int: -29 X-Spam_bar: --- On Friday, July 17, 2015 03:31:04 Spheniscine wrote: > I pronounce the second syllable of "badgers" as {djyrz} though. In my idiolect of English, [=C9=9A] is phonemically /=C9=99=C9=B9/; there's= no difference=20 between {djyrz} and {djrz} in my English. In my Lojban, however, {yr} is [= =C9=99r]=20 or [=C9=99=C9=BE], while vocalic {r} is often [=C9=9A]. I made up a pair of words that differ by a vocalic {r} versus a schwa {y}:= =20 {rirxrxrazdani rirxyxrazdani}. (Hrazdan is a river in Armenia.) In that wor= d I=20 pronounce {rxrxr} as a simultaneous uvular and alveolar trill with the voic= e=20 turned on and off. In {bakrto} though, the {r} is [=C9=9A]. Pierre --=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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