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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 17:30:24 +0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause
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2015-07-20 17:09 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:

> 1. keep the current situiation, and regard {soi} as an exception of scope
> of terms;
> 2. keep the current situiation, and let {soi} loose the power of
> left-scope ({soi} becomes the same as {xoi});
> 3. create a new grammatical property for {soi}, and keep {xoi} as it is;
> 4. allow {soi}-clause become a "free", that has the same property as
> {sei}-clause (easier than 3.);
> 5. other.
>

I choose 4. (soi is exactly the same in grammar as sei) or 5. (retain the
original meaning from CLL formalizing it first)

For other meanings intended in 1. and 2. I can only propose extending
existing grammar like what's done in "altatufa parser, stable version":

Namely, {i broda noi mo} under this app parses as

(NIhO [I {FA ZOhE} {CU <FASNU (=C2=B9FA [LO {NU <(=C2=B2FA mi=C2=B2) (=C2=
=B2CU [broda
VAU]=C2=B2)> KEI} KU] [noi {<FA ZOhE> <CU (=C2=B2mo VAU=C2=B2)>} KUhO]=C2=
=B9) VAU>}])

Can be tested at
http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/altatufa-stodi.html
Note that focus is not preserved in such parsing.

This also has an advantage of having {poi} / {noi} distinction for bridi
relative clauses instead of proliferating cmavo over and over again making
the language unnecessarily complex.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2015-07-20 17:09 GMT+03:00 guskant <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
gusni.kantu@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gusni.kantu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:=
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>1. keep the current situiation, and regard {so=
i} as an exception of scope of terms;</div><div>2. keep the current situiat=
ion, and let {soi} loose the power of left-scope ({soi} becomes the same as=
 {xoi});</div><div>3. create a new grammatical property for {soi}, and keep=
 {xoi} as it is;</div><div>4. allow {soi}-clause become a &quot;free&quot;,=
 that has the same property as {sei}-clause (easier than 3.);</div><div>5. =
other.</div></blockquote></div><br>I choose 4. (soi is exactly the same in =
grammar as sei) or 5. (retain the original meaning from CLL formalizing it =
first)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
>For other meanings intended in 1. and 2. I can only propose extending exis=
ting grammar like what&#39;s done in &quot;altatufa parser, stable version&=
quot;:</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
>Namely, {i broda noi mo} under this app parses as</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><pre style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);white-space:pre-wrap"><code id=3D"pa=
rse_result" width=3D"100%" height=3D"100%">(NIhO [I {FA ZOhE} {CU &lt;FASNU=
 (=C2=B9FA [LO {NU &lt;(=C2=B2FA mi=C2=B2) (=C2=B2CU [broda VAU]=C2=B2)&gt;=
 KEI} KU] [noi {&lt;FA ZOhE&gt; &lt;CU (=C2=B2mo VAU=C2=B2)&gt;} KUhO]=C2=
=B9) VAU&gt;}]) </code></pre>Can be tested at=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://mw.loj=
ban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/altatufa-stodi.html">http://mw.lojban.org/exte=
nsions/ilmentufa/altatufa-stodi.html</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">No=
te that focus is not preserved in such parsing.<br><br>This also has an adv=
antage of having {poi} / {noi} distinction for bridi relative clauses inste=
ad of proliferating cmavo over and over again making the language unnecessa=
rily complex.</div></div>

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