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2015-07-21 4:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:

> And if we could come up with something flexible enough, it wouldn't be
> teachable.


In fact I came up with defining internal grammar of UI1/UI5/NAI/CAI exactly
because I had problems with explaining how they are related to each other.
IMO it's not teachable in its current underformalized way because people
don't clearly understand what modifies what. It was fine when people
avoided complex tools in describing attitudes but we shouldn't be stuck at
that level any longer.

You may have problems in redistributing existing cmavo between these new 4
selmaho, though.
E.g. {se'i}, {ri'e}, {zo'o} and {xo'o} by their semantics clearly belong to
UI5=ROhA="interjection suffix"="categorizer".
I would accept having {fu'i} there too.
But I'm not sure how {le'o}, {vu'e}, {ju'o} work as such suffixes. People
almost never use {ju'o} as a modifier but on its own. So they'd rather
belong to UI="interjection root" part.

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2015-07-21 4:16 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt;</span=
>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
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 flexible enough, it wouldn&#39;t be teachable.</blockquote></div><br>In fa=
ct I came up with defining internal grammar of UI1/UI5/NAI/CAI exactly beca=
use I had problems with explaining how they are related to each other. IMO =
it&#39;s not teachable in its current underformalized way because people do=
n&#39;t clearly understand what modifies what. It was fine when people avoi=
ded complex tools in describing attitudes but we shouldn&#39;t be stuck at =
that level any longer.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">You may have problems in redistributing existing cmavo bet=
ween these new 4 selmaho, though.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">E.g=
. {se&#39;i}, {ri&#39;e}, {zo&#39;o} and {xo&#39;o} by their semantics clea=
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zer&quot;.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">I would accept having {fu&#39;i}=
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9;o}, {vu&#39;e}, {ju&#39;o} work as such suffixes. People almost never use=
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=3D&quot;interjection root&quot; part.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
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