Received: from mail-lb0-f185.google.com ([209.85.217.185]:33488) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHYWt-0001dU-Cu for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:28 -0700 Received: by lbbvz8 with SMTP id vz8sf68884943lbb.0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=5W9AMAKZTQWPEl/foJW2J5dx57PN29ZXZVg5GBXjPqo=; b=JRu/jLP9ZF5oaPzF07B752cj4evNyOgJQtVKdeXtCcPwKEdEorAg4PbNY1s7+z4UNw BXFCV5dXZ4wIMV/xqH6NNoqyqn7EqONUHBIg+NveKRGIoUt1qtjp/BrtYI/QbKT91NBr bEKqE7XEW4dDOgGcUSMbaF03mfHX+Xx6AcXLWHimgIBe0MW8gHpXkXpZ6tboXxOu4Zmi E4AE5QlZmkKw4oJV8ytmY2/aOAfqRnRwLPlVIUnygTV5KOaif9Z3kjq9qQxOMZdiO4Xc uLE/PvHRYMsQFMXid2p6Wbud7nyodUUU9uYZE5+7MMafYzZdlsg1Th+h7G52493zyvwG n9pA== X-Received: by 10.152.37.162 with SMTP id z2mr183641laj.42.1437488896396; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.4.227 with SMTP id n3ls953838lan.0.gmail; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.189.131 with SMTP id gi3mr17777169lbc.6.1437488895425; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com. [2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hm7si553620wib.0.2015.07.21.07.28.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id ud3so129183796wib.0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.211.49 with SMTP id mz17mr6779378wic.69.1437488895265; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.162.130 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bab9435-5f94-4742-b74a-8cceac2c8a60@googlegroups.com> References: <1c2a3b64-07b1-4023-a740-362deb17da34@googlegroups.com> <55AD070D.5020903@gmx.de> <55AE1142.5090807@gmx.de> <8bab9435-5f94-4742-b74a-8cceac2c8a60@googlegroups.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:27:35 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c25f8cf8931a051b63765f X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c25f8cf8931a051b63765f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-07-21 17:18 GMT+03:00 guskant : > It's not simplicity of grammar but similarity of form of description sumti > and inserted bridi. If {sei}-clause could enclose a sentence, the grammar > would be 23 bytes smaller. If we add {soi}-clause to "free", the structure > and the usage will be very similar to {sei}-clause. If we had the structure > of "SOI sentence SEhU" from the beginning of Lojban, I would have never > used "SEI terms selbri SEhU". > Similarly, you can eliminate LE and move it to LOhOI saving even more rules. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c25f8cf8931a051b63765f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2015-07-21 17:18 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
It's not simplicity of gramm= ar but similarity of form of description sumti and inserted bridi. If {sei}= -clause could enclose a sentence, the grammar would be 23 bytes smaller. If= we add {soi}-clause to "free", the structure and the usage will = be very similar to {sei}-clause. If we had the structure of "SOI sente= nce SEhU" from the beginning of Lojban, I would have never used "= SEI terms selbri SEhU".=C2=A0
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Similarly, you can eliminate LE and move it to LOhOI= saving even more rules.

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