Received: from mail-qk0-f187.google.com ([209.85.220.187]:32997) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHZxL-0003az-Sh for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:59:58 -0700 Received: by qkbs7 with SMTP id s7sf72696396qkb.0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=UykNzgPAEXEwmluXWNu7uNNPvcw64453ens2whJ9s+w=; b=ey6YKwVG+v/qfL/NJNvZowsB3ukHFtdHKn9dVK7uv86gxVPW5HUoFj9R9nkMh1FrmI 41sAEnvtCabfVVCBKxz+GKGvLQ3sQtf5O9X9bSMTEr8RciJ0KgG4pO4E1v8JqLQFy3+6 WaEKDirPQtVC7Hrg8lc4N4MWHqQYYQms8nYBObnKGUmrS2Gj6bO3Tj7xGJ777OFxebYU CCJjyIR3fyyUNgHKZcnRb34ElW8v1HCy5Psa96Nr8O0Q3uyfhZWEJhacHIhRyac2qij+ VBME5UBh7lqH9lr09bRox/DP4TW0zLrBHpZGrJQ19llvXqckN3Iaot0F/3PU76stVxNC dwTg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=UykNzgPAEXEwmluXWNu7uNNPvcw64453ens2whJ9s+w=; b=h82Kq/4PlXJoTrC9Giukv7yI5kf62ytW7ldKyudEkZFtaP8oei+CQLNhCzwmAJwm+2 24hOHIgaDkMnQJAl0+C2bCPuJi+jEeeTsT2HOhunQaMt/sJMZRfPviO1iSJS7yCi5uYi oovGIJUz48Y0SdMl+RF3l/N+FH9kZVSZ87tYTd1mEEWe32uK0KSoa8BTNXKET0C9PS8n rSLeBUXqdeQFI2tBhsUC8Q4bo51cVoGaqBuVU4JNuGexjOflS6rAElEKlKd6pR8Trjcw EcCu0yypviTQN2H8A4qfVFcYBChUJHrZ0T7ofEXdPexRqS1mRCRMJjgpU90mm73bOFfc Dnog== X-Received: by 10.140.98.117 with SMTP id n108mr533205qge.23.1437494381811; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.20.231 with SMTP id 94ls3703762qgj.92.gmail; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.91.182 with SMTP id z51mr174946qgd.5.1437494381437; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: la durka To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <5187eb35-a181-4ddb-a394-157d1524b5e5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <48946854-5b9e-4450-bafd-7a048200277b@googlegroups.com> References: <48946854-5b9e-4450-bafd-7a048200277b@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: "Metalinguistic self-doubt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_598_1323774258.1437494380780" X-Original-Sender: durka42@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_598_1323774258.1437494380780 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_599_93027278.1437494380788" ------=_Part_599_93027278.1437494380788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For metalinguistic concerns we have the {jo'a}-{na'i} scale; {ju'o} is=20 different. For "did I word this correctly" I'd probably say {jo'a nai toi'e= =20 ju'o cu'i} or if experimental cmavo are not allowed, just resort to {sei=20 .oise'i xu smudra}. Unless there's a lot of usage of {ju'o} in conflict=20 with the dictionary definition, I'd say we should leave it alone. El lunes, 20 de julio de 2015, 17:37:13 (UTC+2), Spheniscine (la zipcpi)=20 escribi=C3=B3: > > I wonder if there is any way to distinguish between self-doubt of the=20 > truthfulness of a statement ({ju'ocu'i}; some prefer {ju'onai}, as they= =20 > believe "impossibility" is better expressed as {ju'o naku}) and=20 > "metalinguistic doubt", as in, "did I word this correctly"? > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_599_93027278.1437494380788 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For metalinguistic concerns we have the {jo'a}-{na'= ;i} scale; {ju'o} is different. For "did I word this correctly&quo= t; I'd probably say {jo'a nai toi'e ju'o cu'i} or if ex= perimental cmavo are not allowed, just resort to {sei .oise'i xu smudra= }. Unless there's a lot of usage of {ju'o} in conflict with the dic= tionary definition, I'd say we should leave it alone.

El lunes, = 20 de julio de 2015, 17:37:13 (UTC+2), Spheniscine (la zipcpi) escribi=C3= =B3:
I wonder = if there is any way to distinguish between self-doubt of the truthfulness o= f a statement ({ju'ocu'i}; some prefer {ju'onai}, as they belie= ve "impossibility" is better expressed as {ju'o naku}) and &q= uot;metalinguistic doubt", as in, "did I word this correctly"= ;?

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