Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 00:22:36 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: An attempt to explain why "ganai broda gi ko brode"
 makes sense
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Yeah, I disagree with the CLL's phrasing there. I think {ko broda} =3D {mi =
do=20
lo ka broda cu minde}.

mu'o mi'e durkavore

El jueves, 16 de julio de 2015, 10:51:10 (UTC+2), Spheniscine (la zipcpi)=
=20
escribi=C3=B3:
>
> Well, I think, that the illocutionary mode of a command, which is=20
> represented by {ko}, {ko'oi}, {e'o}, {e'u}, and perhaps some others I mig=
ht=20
> be missing, is not a statement saying "this proposition is true"; rather=
=20
> it's a command or request to "make this proposition true".
>
> Thus {ganai broda gi ko brode} works, because if broda is false, then the=
=20
> listener does not have to do anything to make the proposition true; it's=
=20
> already true. While if broda is true, then the listener will have to do=
=20
> brode to follow the command/request. (of course, they may choose to not=
=20
> obey the command/request for whatever reason, but the meaning of the=20
> command/request is still clear)
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, I disagree with the CLL&#39;s phrasing there. I thin=
k {ko broda} =3D {mi do lo ka broda cu minde}.<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o =
mi&#39;e durkavore<br><br>El jueves, 16 de julio de 2015, 10:51:10 (UTC+2),=
 Spheniscine (la zipcpi) escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Well, I think, that the illocutionary mode of a c=
ommand, which is represented by {ko}, {ko&#39;oi}, {e&#39;o}, {e&#39;u}, an=
d perhaps some others I might be missing, is not a statement saying &quot;t=
his proposition is true&quot;; rather it&#39;s a command or request to &quo=
t;make this proposition true&quot;.<div><br></div><div>Thus {ganai broda gi=
 ko brode} works, because if broda is false, then the listener does not hav=
e to do anything to make the proposition true; it&#39;s already true. While=
 if broda is true, then the listener will have to do brode to follow the co=
mmand/request. (of course, they may choose to not obey the command/request =
for whatever reason, but the meaning of the command/request is still clear)=
</div></div></blockquote></div></div>

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