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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:15:50 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:12 AM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Relative clauses should care about the main bridi, because the bridi in
> relative clauses share their universe of discourse with the main bridi.
> About this example of fragment, I said only "logically meaningless", but it
> does not bring any problem by itself.
>
> The problem occurs in the case that plural relative clauses appears with
> their own prenex, sometimes nested in logical connectives. Which prenex is
> the outmost? How can the negations, numbers and logical connectives are
> transformed into a prenex normal form?
>

I don't understand what you mean. Could you give an example where you find
a prenex in a relative clause problematic? In general, a prenex in a
non-restrictive relative clause cannot be exported to the main bridi prenex:

   ro da zo'u da prami la alis noi no de zo'u ke'a prami de
   = ro da zo'u da prami la alis .i ta'o no de zo'u la alis prami de
   =/= ro da no de zo'u da prami la alis .i je la alis prami de

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:12 AM, guskant <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
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>Relative clauses should care about the main bridi, because the bridi in re=
lative clauses share their universe of discourse with the main bridi. About=
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ut it does not bring any problem by itself.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
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eir own prenex, sometimes nested in logical connectives. Which prenex is th=
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formed into a prenex normal form?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
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u find a prenex in a relative clause problematic? In general, a prenex in a=
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x:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0ro da zo&#39;u da prami la alis no=
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u da prami la alis .i ta&#39;o no de zo&#39;u la alis prami de</div><div>=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=3D/=3D ro da no de zo&#39;u da prami la alis .i je la alis pr=
ami de</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></di=
v></div></div></div>

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