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Subject: Re: [lojban] Internal grammar of UI, NAI and CAI
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com=
>
wrote:

>
> 2015-07-21 23:47 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
>> "ri'e", yes. Not so sure about "zo'o" though. It's usually used as
>> standalone, and your grammar doesn't allow ROhA to stand by itself.
>>
>
> Yes, {zo'o} can't stand for itself. It is described as a modifier of
> interjections so I ban it here.
> When people use {zo'o} alone then according to altatufa ideology it
> implies that interjection core was elided. altatufa
> autorestores {ju'a} in such cases leading to {ju'a zo'o}.
>

I don't know, what about things that are not assertions:

-  zo'o do se nazbi xo da

-  zo'o ko citka ta

I think "zo'o" is more like "le'o", "vu'e", "ga'i", a stance, a mental or
emotional position adopted by the speaker. What are the arguments to make
it an interjection modifier?

This can be tested using the current stable version of altatufa:
> http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/altatufa-stodi.html
>

It doesn't seem to work for me.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span cl=
ass=3D"">2015-07-21 23:47 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>&quot;ri&#39;e&quot;, yes. =
Not so sure about &quot;zo&#39;o&quot; though. It&#39;s usually used as sta=
ndalone, and your grammar doesn&#39;t allow ROhA to stand by itself.</div><=
/blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Yes, {zo&#39;o} can&#39;t stand for =
itself. It is described as a modifier of interjections so I ban it here.</d=
iv><div>When people use {zo&#39;o} alone then according to altatufa ideolog=
y it implies that interjection core was elided. altatufa=C2=A0</div><div>au=
torestores {ju&#39;a} in such cases leading to {ju&#39;a zo&#39;o}.</div></=
div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know, what abo=
ut things that are not assertions:</div><div><br></div><div>- =C2=A0zo&#39;=
o do se nazbi xo da</div><div><br></div><div>- =C2=A0zo&#39;o ko citka ta</=
div><div><br></div><div>I think &quot;zo&#39;o&quot; is more like &quot;le&=
#39;o&quot;, &quot;vu&#39;e&quot;, &quot;ga&#39;i&quot;, a stance, a mental=
 or emotional position adopted by the speaker. What are the arguments to ma=
ke it an interjection modifier?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div>This can be tested using the current stable version of altatufa:</=
div><div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/altatufa-stod=
i.html" target=3D"_blank">http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/altatuf=
a-stodi.html</a></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It=
 doesn&#39;t seem to work for me.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o m=
i&#39;e xorxes</div></div></div></div>

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