Received: from mail-oi0-f62.google.com ([209.85.218.62]:34511) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIDr3-0004hZ-Gn for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:36:15 -0700 Received: by oihq81 with SMTP id q81sf92424103oih.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:35:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=fNwXK1NhxC6zQHgxXFqPO91TdiJAOySv8DtysKpWZSM=; b=XegyULnUUglSr87imqLIhkbCzschGmj/ptntTmhumEqVUrJIYQXppL/xmU0U+rCawQ JPtSdkGFXvMp8gxR8RRfJUGDqhVXBLnhdGEC6L3z5Lcc2ANyxXiKGg2HV4EdZtrEZAVp qsXekZ4bBxme/F5fGMd5I0h9W00Mvp0dD8KRSziTDtcHdLheDTTwPvbO03lOIfgtVX0l xz9dRB087z3lbgP/Z33bExig02GSFV/2GWKMzt2vFY5f4zAoP9fW8pBm7o6GHLa8iCJ3 tR+KthDKo4bQ/INcEvl7Ja2BU8Y2jG+g1N4yHNO36kmo16OUMIHrfFiFQsCLU0gyJ2I6 4MGg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=fNwXK1NhxC6zQHgxXFqPO91TdiJAOySv8DtysKpWZSM=; b=qS7JXN69fUj/eeB6zXdAP/Tfvk/VnetebVdXWhALyc/pLFVFASMe+adUbKqdXHB8eA eUTn1dpu6snKk32jJ2O/ZS5sdmklfwQ8ba5M7asi9nvBqeXxBO+aM+8sC1pt8WnjQmBU oX0MJ2P7kJln4u1feKKkDphoAKtF3wezt7sM3kOjgfCdlRCGeaHfOIcMt0y5S8fszWef HBJ1ojDYAxk8Kx58U25lNFV5SFa+8NtptARmoXj/D6ssA5TDLNTP1LU+DBDxsywLXp65 x2sQYOyv3j0aoIfyy/batEduSDB8nXgOIQLJKS7bYeRuVggISMiX5o3Xy/okBx9n9Cz9 ggdQ== X-Received: by 10.50.253.5 with SMTP id zw5mr269172igc.9.1437647751561; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.107.135.201 with SMTP id r70ls601799ioi.34.gmail; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.171.200 with SMTP id aw8mr269778igc.6.1437647751256; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Spheniscine (la zipcpi)" To: lojban Cc: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Message-Id: <68d4ecc6-6c91-431d-b62f-f1499742d240@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Internal grammar of UI, NAI and CAI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_755_406588808.1437647749767" X-Original-Sender: spheniscine@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_755_406588808.1437647749767 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_756_1371451372.1437647749767" ------=_Part_756_1371451372.1437647749767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > - zo'o ko citka ta >> > > I think this is wrong if we expand {ko} into {do ko'oi}. Then we get two > attitudinals not connected to each other. Hence the meaning would be "I > state that you eat it (kidding). [Please], eat it!" > Hm this seems difficult. My opinion is that the elided attitudinal before {zo'o} is an elliptical illocution that *usually* is {ju'a} (statement/assertion), but {ko} then overrides that with {ko'oi} (imperative/hortative). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_756_1371451372.1437647749767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
- =C2=A0= zo'o ko citka ta

I th= ink this is wrong if we expand {ko} into {do ko'oi}. Then we get two at= titudinals not connected to each other. Hence the meaning would be "I = state that you eat it (kidding). [Please], eat it!"
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Hm this seems difficult. My opinion is that the elided att= itudinal before {zo'o} is an elliptical illocution that *usually* is {j= u'a} (statement/assertion), but {ko} then overrides that with {ko'o= i} (imperative/hortative).

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